The Highway Forums General Discussion Open Forum Calvinism

waronthesaints,<br><br>What an appropriate name! [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/evilgrin.gif" alt="evilgrin" title="evilgrin[/img] I'll let Carlos answer your objections as he is more than capable and I'm sure he is looking forward to replying as well. But I can't resist not replying to this statement you concluded with:<blockquote>Martin Luther understood it was grace that saves and a free-will that is graceable that is savable by saving grace.</blockquote>I would agree that we have two different Gods. But it must also be true that we know of two different Martin Luthers as well. For the historic Martin Luther wrote in regard to "free-will"<blockquote>"The very name, Free-will, was odious to all the Fathers. I, for my part, admit that God gave to mankind a free will, but the question is, whether this same freedom be in our power and strength, or no? We may very fitly call it a subverted, perverse, fickle, and wavering will, for it is only God that works in us, and we must suffer and be subject to his pleasure. Even as a potter out of his clay makes a pot or vessel, as he wills, so it is for our free will, to suffer and not to work. It stands not in our strength; for we are not able to do anything that is good in divine matters." - The Table-talk of Martin Luther (CCLIX)</blockquote>In fact he was so adamantly opposed to the humanistic idea of fallen man having a free-will that he wrote one of the most famous books ever written, The Bondage of the Will. You would be wise to find someone other than Martin Luther to name in your misguided defense of the "myth of free-will". [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/grin.gif" alt="grin" title="grin[/img]<br><br>In His Grace,<br>