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Westminster is simply and clearly stating that this effectual calling (regeneration and drawing) is of God's own will and free grace which was "not from anything at all foreseen in man,". The Confession goes on to say that man, in this effectual calling "is altogether passive therein, until, being quickened and renewed by the Holy Spirit,". It goes on to say exactly what I have written above concerning the active participation of the regenerated sinner, i.e., actual repenting of sins and believing upon Christ unto justification. I hope you now understand this doctrine in at least a factual way.
The order of salvation between the effectual call and justification has been a real enigma to me. Before I immerse myself in the Institutes, let me try one more to describe the Calvinist view as I understand it now: The inner character change and responsiveness to the gospel are instrumental means not effectual causes of the repentance/faith that follows and repentance/faith are instumental means not effectual causes of the justification that follows.
It is only AFTER a sinner is regenerated that the Word of God is able to be comprehended and attended to. In fact, Hopkins goes to great length to explain why the Word of God cannot be a means to effect regeneration. Can you understand this?
Would it be accurate to say the Word of God is a catalyst not an instrumental means of the effectual call/regeneration that follows? Would it be accurate to say that after the call/regeneration the Word of God is an instrumental means of all things that follow?
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