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Ruth said:
Joe k,

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We cannot rest in the teachings of 500 years ago. Just like God used Luther to confront popery, we must be led by His Spirit to a deeper understanding and if the Spirit leads one to reform previous teachings, one must not resist.

Is it slightly presumptuous to suppose that you are MORE Spirit-led than those godly teachers of 500 years ago, even to the present? Has He left us all to misunderstand Scripture from then till now, until you appeared? I think I would rather rely on the great teachers and godly men of the past to interpret, unless you can somehow prove them wrong Scripturally. Please let us see some exegesis! Keep in mind the Spirit does not speak or lead outside of the Word!

In His Hands,

Ruth

Ruth I NEVER mentioned my spiritual superiority. According to your logic, we should have stayed with Ignatous, tertullian, etc. etc. TO admit that the divines of past have exhausted the Godhead is presumptious on your part. Were they infallable? I agree we learn from those divines who have gone before us. But to think that God cannot use anyone after the WCF was written is just plain wrong. What you end up with is a faith by proxy. You begin to believe in a belief. That said, let us continue this thread and edify each other. For I NEVER put myself higher than anyone.

Did God leave those in the dark for 1500 years? I believe He did, This is the great apostacy that Paul warned about. But the remnant always remains. He will always have the men who do not bow to Baal. Your challenge is unfounded. You seem perturbed that I present a dialogue with scriptural support and historical support.

Faith is never the cause of God justifying a person. Regardless what any creed or confession says, it is wrong. God gives faith because we are justified by Him and the imputed righteousness of Christ. Then it does become our faith, and we believe. But the Elect, who have been given to Christ in eternity Have eternally been justified in Christ.

You assume I stand alone in this belief. Kuyper, Gill, Philpot, Twisse are just a few who congfessed this


Joe

There never was a sinner half as big as Christ is as a Savior.