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Pilgrim said:
Joe k,

Are you sure you didn't intend your reply to Ruth to be posted on some other Arminian Board? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" /> WHO in this thread has said that faith precedes regeneration? or that justification is imputed on the basis of faith (although Luther said as much but later tried to clear that matter up) or works? Most people here hold to one of the following documents or the teaching contained in them: Westminster Confession of Faith, Belgic Confession, London Confession, Savoy Declaration, and/or the Canons of Dordt.

Secondly, I found your reply to be totally irrelevant to what Ruth wrote. Maybe you can show me that it somehow related? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/scratch1.gif" alt="" />

In His Grace,

I confess those also Pilgrim. There is nothing "Arminian" about my response.

ruth said "it is a forensic declaration. It also is not caused by the effectual call! Justification is imputed when one believes."

There is a causual result from the effectual call towardds justification.

Abraham was justified prior to Genesis 15.

I apologize for the lack of clarity. I was pressed for time.

Show me where I spoke in a pellagian matter please.

Joe

There never was a sinner half as big as Christ is as a Savior.