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Joe k said: Whether classic Calvinism confesses this is not the point. Agreed.... it is the biblical teaching to which classic Calvinism echos and upholds. You then state: The effectual call causes justification. Justification is nto imputed, Christs alien righteousness is imputed to us. That is what i was clarifying. Thanks for the clarification. And thus I strongly reject your premise, i.e., "The effectual call causes justification. Please give biblical evidence which you feel supports your view. The "effectual call", depending upon how you define it includes "regeneration". In regeneration, a new predisposition (nature) is created and by consequence the will recreated. And, out of this new birth (Jh 3:3, 5; Eph 2:1-9; et al) one naturally and most willingly repents of sin and believes upon Christ, at which time the sinner is justified, i.e., pronounced righteousness on the basis of Christ's substitutionary atonement. (see the excellent article by Dr. Joel Beeke on Justification by Faith Alone. Also see these relevant articles here: Sola Fide: The Doctrine of Justification.) You go on to say: Also to state we finish the process is nto correct also IMHO. . . . God is author and finisher. Sanctification is a synergistic work, i.e., God and man working together under the total control of the Spirit of God to accomplish the end for which the sinner was originally predestined, called, justified and glorified. (cf. Eph 1:4-13; Rom 8:29, 30; Phil. 2:12, 13; 1Cor 1:30; et al) In His Grace,
simul iustus et peccator
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