So many errors, so little time. Here are but a few:

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[color:"blue"]OF all to be chosen It was Abraham and Jacob. Why? Because they were receivable. God did not choose the native indians of north america or the incas of peru or the chinese or the mongolians. God chose the most righteous men or should I say the least unrighteous to begin revealing his redemptive design to.

So, Abram, from heathen Ur, was righteous, or more righteous? And your proof is where? So, Jacob, the deceiver, was righteous, or more righteous? And your proof is where? What made them [color:red]receivable or [color:red]more receivable so they could boast later?

[color:blue]Rom 9:15-16 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. [color:red]So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
If they were righteous, or at least more righteous (by your assertion) why did they need God? After all, before their calling, they were doing just fine according to you. They had [color:red]earned a place of recognition with God by being more righteous. They could now [color:red]boast, saying, "God choose me BECAUSE I was righteous, or more righteous, than those Indians," et. al. But isn't it odd that what you assert once again does not fit with Scripture?

[color:blue]Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace are ye saved through faith; [color:red]and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: [color:red]Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Both of these men had they not been changed by the Holy Spirit would be in Hell at this very moment. They choose to follow God, BECAUSE God first choose them and enabled them to see and desire Him (John 15:16). P.S. Regeneration precedes conversion.

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[color:"blue"]If Christ died to save all men, not all men will be saved necesarily but Jesus laid the groundwork for all to be saved. ALl men that believe will be saved. Do you see the difference? It is not righteous and holy to say Christ died for all men to saved so all men should be saved for again it is killing man's free will and makes man an automaton and is fatalism. If you don't agree with fatalism then why do you speak fatalistically? Ephesians 2:8-10 says "not of ourselves" yes not of ourselves, salvation is from GOd but just because we choose God does not mean we saved ourselves for God still does the saving all from Himself. Do you see? "not of works" means I can go do things to be saved. This does not mean choice for God is a work for it is a choice. Can you see the difference?

Once again, you do NOT understand the principle of fatalism. Once again, you see life when the Scripture says we are DEAD. Once again, you have the DEAD being active. Once again, your argument fails in light of Scripture.

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[color:"blue"]Free will is not a work. It is stationary unworking. In its purest form it is yea or neah workless. Matt 26.28 Eph 1.4 John 17.9 are on the basis of God knowing who would come to Him so it is not save a certain number because God picked a certain number but because God knew a certain number only would come to Him. Do you see the difference? Otherwise it is puffy fatalism.

Uh mm, if free will (which does not even exist, even God is not totally free, He cannot change, cannot sin, cannot be unholy, et. al.) is not a work, then Adam and Eve did not sin by their own work (choice). Thus, according to you, God is guilty of sin, for He ascribed unto them "guilt" and "punishment" for something they did not work (will). If I lay aside the whole doctrine of Original Sin, then according to you, the whole human race is free of sin and will continue to be, because what happens is not a work of their own will. If they did not work (will) it then they are not responsible for it. Funny thing about your theology--you have no need of a Saviour. Now I understand why you have not told us about your salvation.

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[color:"blue"]Like the movie matrix, Neo said to the oracle "why ask me what choice I am going to make if you already know I made it?" Oracle says to Neo "because you have already made the choice, now you are hear to understand why you made the choice".

So, you are willing to quote a movie that embraces Kantanism and yet not tell us about your own salvation. The Bible + Nee + Matrix = Your Gospel, or should I say, Nee + Matrix + The Bible, out of context = Your Gospel [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/drop.gif" alt="drop" title="drop[/img]

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[color:"blue"] Does God have the capacity to fall? Yes.

You serve a lesser God than I, and the host of others here.

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[color:"blue"] Regeneration [color:red]is conversion.

This proves that you do not know Scripture or even enough about Arminianism to be arguing for it. You had better look up the definition of the terms once again. Regeneration & Conversion


Reformed and Always Reforming,