<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>[color:"blue"]By the way, I am in full realization that this is quite an inflammitory subject. Let's remember: attack ideas, not the people who hold those ideas!</font><hr></blockquote><p> <br><br>(Fred) Howard has quite a reputation for the truly inflammatory and if you know his history over the last year or so on this board and others, you can understand my tongue in cheek remarks. I can assure you, there is nothing ad hominem with my comments.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>[color:"blue"]Okaaay... how about some words from the other side? I know we've got Baptists on here somewhere!</font><hr></blockquote><p><br><br>(Fred) Yes, we are here, counted and present. The issue is that this discussion has been haggled over on so many previous occasions, that many of the paedo and credoes tire of it. There is nothing left of the carcass of this proverbial horse to beat. <br>However, seeing that you are newish here, I can point you to a recent discussion of about a month or so ago. It involves mostly a disagreement between two prebyterian camps, but I chime in with baptist views about mid-way through.<br><br>Fred Malone discussion<br><br>AND, I recently commented to a Lutheran fellow on another board as to why I believe baptismal regeneration is unbiblical. Some of the arguments I utilize can also be applied to the paedo position. At least in my opinion.<br><br>Luther and baptismal regeneration <br><br>Scroll down about mid way and you can read some of my interchanges that outlines my take on infant baptism.<br><br>The long and short of the disagreement comes down to hermeneutics. Both sides make presuppositions on how to approach the scripture, particularly how the NT and OT fit together, and how the covenants unfold and are administered in God's redemptive purposes. Hence, the understanding of the issue of baptism springs forth from those hermeneutical presuppositions.<br><br>Fred

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