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speratus said:1. Their confession proves it: Baptism is an ordinance of the New Testament, ordained by Jesus Christ, to be unto the party baptized, a sign of his fellowship with him, in his death and resurrection; of his being engrafted into him; of remission of sins; and of giving up into God, through Jesus Christ, to live and walk in newness of life. 1689 London Baptist Confession Why did the baptists alter the WCF to remove any reference to baptism as a means of grace? 2. Again, I did not say Baptists were wicked. I assume trinitarian Baptists are Christians. I said they were acting wickedly by withholding baptism. I am not aware of any Lutheran pastor who withholds baptism from anyone who desires it simply because they have not completed a course of instruction on the Lutheran Church. I agree that any pastor who withholds baptism in that circumstance is behaving wickedly. I suggest that if your going to make base accusations regarding the English Baptist that wrote that confession you further your education by reading the Catechism that went with that confession. A portion that I shall reprint here: Q. 95. What are the outward and ordinary means whereby Christ communicates to us the benefits of redemption?
A. The outward and ordinary means whereby Christ communicates to us the benefits of redemption are His ordinances, especially the Word, Baptism, the Lord's Supper and Prayer; all which are made effectual to the elect for salvation. (Rom. 10:17; James 1:18; 1 Cor. 3:5; Acts 14:1; 2:41,42)
Q. 96. How is the Word made effectual to salvation?
A. The Spirit of God makes the reading, but especially the preaching of the Word an effectual means of convincing and converting sinners, and of building them up in holiness and comfort, through faith unto salvation. (Ps. 119:11,18; 1 Thess. 1:6; 1 Peter 2:1,2; Rom. 1:16; Ps. 19:7)
Q. 97. How is the Word to be read and heard that it may become effectual to salvation?
A. That the Word may become effectual to salvation we must attend thereunto with diligence, preparation and prayer, receive it in faith and love, lay it up in our hearts and practice it in our lives. (Prov. 8:34; 1 Peter 2:1,2; 1 Tim. 4:13; Heb. 2:1,3; Heb. 4:2; 2 Thess. 2:10; Ps. 119:11; James 1:21,25)
Q. 98. How do Baptism and the Lord's Supper become effectual means of salvation?
A. Baptism and the Lord's Supper become effectual means of salvation, not from any virtue in them or in him that administers them, but only by the blessing of Christ and the working of His Spirit in them that by faith receive them. (1 Peter 3:21; 1 Cor. 3:6,7; 1 Cor. 12:13) Benjamin Keach's CatechismSecond your lack of awareness doesn't demonstrate what is being done. I suggest you ask the Reverend of the church where your worship what is the normative practice for adult catechumens Whether they are baptized once they have been confirmed. Or if they are first baptized and then confirmed after finishing the catechism course. Or perhaps you can show from the Triglot Concordia the proper method for a non-baptized adult convert.
Peter
If you believe what you like in the gospels, and reject what you don't like, it is not the gospel you believe, but yourself. Augustine of Hippo
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Wicked Baptists
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Peter
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Sat Oct 09, 2004 6:20 PM
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Mon Oct 11, 2004 9:16 PM
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Baptists and the 1789 Confession
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Peter
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Mon Oct 11, 2004 3:25 AM
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Peter
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Peter
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Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:02 AM
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Anonymous
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Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:11 AM
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No.
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TheClingingVine
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Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:09 PM
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Re: No.
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Anonymous
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Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:53 PM
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I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
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TheClingingVine
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Thu Oct 14, 2004 2:20 PM
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Anonymous
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 12:35 AM
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TheClingingVine
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:11 AM
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Pilgrim
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:38 AM
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[admiringly] Very well expressed, Pilgrim.
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TheClingingVine
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:41 AM
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Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
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Anonymous
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 5:16 AM
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Henry
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 11:22 PM
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Anonymous
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Henry
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Anonymous
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Henry
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Anonymous
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Sat Oct 16, 2004 2:02 PM
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That's all from me, folks.
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Henry
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Sat Oct 16, 2004 8:35 PM
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Re: That's all from me, folks.
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Anonymous
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Sun Oct 17, 2004 3:48 AM
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Re: That's all from me, folks.
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Anonymous
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Sun Oct 17, 2004 4:52 PM
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Re: That's all from me, folks.
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Anonymous
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Tue Oct 19, 2004 4:51 AM
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Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
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Peter
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Sat Oct 16, 2004 9:28 PM
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Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
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Anonymous
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Sun Oct 17, 2004 4:28 AM
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Anonymous
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Pilgrim
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Sat Oct 16, 2004 3:38 AM
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Anonymous
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Sat Oct 16, 2004 3:56 AM
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Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
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Pilgrim
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Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:13 AM
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Anonymous
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Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:35 AM
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Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
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Pilgrim
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Sat Oct 16, 2004 5:56 PM
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Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
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Anonymous
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Sun Oct 17, 2004 3:32 AM
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Re: help me clear my thoughts
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janean
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Sat Oct 16, 2004 10:44 AM
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Re: help me clear my thoughts
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Pilgrim
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Sat Oct 16, 2004 5:49 PM
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Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
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Anonymous
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 4:24 AM
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Regeneration's an event, not a process.
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TheClingingVine
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 9:46 AM
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Re: Regeneration's an event, not a process.
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Anonymous
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 11:13 AM
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I don't think "contrition" and "repentance" are...
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TheClingingVine
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:00 PM
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Re: I don't think "contrition" and "repentance" are...
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Anonymous
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:46 PM
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Didn't you essentially agree with me?
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TheClingingVine
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 5:24 PM
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Re: No.
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Anonymous
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Thu Oct 14, 2004 5:26 PM
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I prefer to not get into debates on baptism.
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TheClingingVine
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Thu Oct 14, 2004 7:24 PM
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Re: I prefer to not get into debates on baptism.
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Anonymous
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Thu Oct 14, 2004 8:09 PM
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Re: I prefer to not get into debates on baptism.
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Tom
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Thu Oct 14, 2004 8:46 PM
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Re: I prefer to not get into debates on baptism.
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Anonymous
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Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:54 PM
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Re: I prefer to not get into debates on baptism.
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Tom
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 12:20 AM
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[shudder] Eschatology! There's a sticky wicket.
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TheClingingVine
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Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:30 PM
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Re: No.
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Anonymous
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Sun Oct 17, 2004 3:13 AM
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Re: Wicked Baptists
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Peter
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Sat Oct 16, 2004 8:43 PM
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Anonymous
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Sun Oct 17, 2004 4:08 AM
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Re: Wicked Baptists
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Peter
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Sat Oct 16, 2004 8:03 PM
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