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Dealing with what the statements you provided mean in context is something to be done by someone other then myself

Exactly, God alone works baptismal regeneration when it pleases Him without any cooperation from man.

Huh? I was referring to the two quotes from the creeds that you posted. I know that the framers of neither of them believed in baptismal regeneration, but I'm not the best person to be explaining what they really did mean in those statements. That's what I was saying.

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we'd still be lacking the Scriptural warrant to believe in what the possibility would allow.

We have God's promises (Mark 16:16; Acts 2:38; Acts 22;16; Rom. 6:3,4; Gal. 3:26, 27; Eph. 5:25, 26; Col. 2:12; Titus 3: 5; and 1 Peter 3:21). What more do you want?

Could you please go back and read these two posts:

https://www.the-highway.com/forum/showthr...amp;o=&vc=1

https://www.the-highway.com/forum/showthr...amp;o=&vc=1

With all due respect, you are making this discussion sumpremely frustrating by completely ignoring what has been said. None of these verses speak anything of baptismal regeneration. If you believe otherwise, please prove this to us exegetically. Just stating the same old, and many times refuted argument all over again does nothing.

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To be clear, the supposed possibility would only be meaningful if my preconcieved theological construct required that I believe in baptismal regeneration.

Good point! How can someone be regenerated in baptism, when they reject the possibility that baptism could be efficicious? Similarly, how can someone be regenerated through preaching, when they do not believe in the possibility that preaching could be efficacious?

I'm sorry, what I said must not have been clear. I was saying that even if those verses allowed a possibility for baptismal regeneration (which they don't), this would still mean nothing, unless my predetermined, extrabiblical theological tradition was telling me to believe in it. What I'm saying is, please prove to us baptismal regeneration is Scriptural, and not just a part of your tradition that needs to be shed.

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Are you able to show to us that your belief is not based upon this, but rather Scripture?

I have already given you ample evidence from scripture which you have chosen to ignore in order to persue doctrines based on man's reason not scripture.

Please read what I've said above! Please deal with William's and Pilgrim's statements, which show that these verses you list display nothing that would link regeneration to baptism. I'm still waiting for the Scriptural, exegetical support.

Last edited by Henry; Sat Oct 16, 2004 8:40 AM.
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