"Hate to jump in here, but..."

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speratus asked:
Do you mean that, without the Word of God, there is no baptism?
Huh?

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speratus asked: And how does this baptismal grace differ from baptismal regeneration? Is it possible to receive efficacious grace without regeneration?
Is this really an honest question? The difference between the grace given us through the ordinances (sacraments for my paedobaptist friends <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/jester.gif" alt="" />) and the regenerative, effacious work of the Holy Spirit in regeneration is axiomatic to me, and more then apparant in the Scriptures. Perhaps your confusion on this matter is the source of your misunderstanding on this whole issue.

Pilgrim really hit the nail on the head for this whole conversation when he stated:
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What I don't find is any biblical warrant to attribute baptism as one of the "means" through which the Holy Spirit works regeneration.

Could you show us this biblical warrant? That is the real question. Short of this, all other discussion on this matter is pointless.

(Latin phrase goes here.)