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Pilgrim said: What I don't find is any biblical warrant to attribute baptism as one of the "means" through which the Holy Spirit works regeneration. The sacraments (ordinance for my Credobaptist friends <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> ) are ancillary to the verbal communication of the Gospel. They are ineffective in and of themselves as a "means of grace".
Do you mean that, without the Word of God, there is no baptism? Is the WCF your confession?
The efficacy of baptism is not tied to that moment of time wherein it is administered; yet, notwithstanding, by the right use of this ordinancy the grace promised is not only offered, but really exhibited and conferred by the Holy Ghost, to such (whether of age or infants) as that grace belongeth unto, according to the counsel of God's own will, in his appointed time.
What is the efficacious baptismal grace promised, offered, really exhibited, and conferred? And how does this baptismal grace differ from baptismal regeneration? Is it possible to receive efficacious grace without regeneration?
Do you agree with the English Baptists of the 1689 London Confession that Baptism is an effectual means of salvation? If so, how does that differ from baptismal regeneration?
Baptism and the Lord's Supper become effectual means of salvation, not from any virtue in them or in him that administers them, but only by the blessing of Christ and the working of His Spirit in them that by faith receive them. (1 Peter 3:21; 1 Cor. 3:6,7; 1 Cor. 12:13)
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Wicked Baptists
Peter
Sat Oct 09, 2004 6:20 PM
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Anonymous
Sun Oct 10, 2004 2:55 AM
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Pilgrim
Sun Oct 10, 2004 3:12 AM
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Sun Oct 10, 2004 3:48 AM
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Sun Oct 10, 2004 4:34 AM
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Sun Oct 10, 2004 5:11 AM
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Pilgrim
Sun Oct 10, 2004 3:25 PM
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Sun Oct 10, 2004 4:28 PM
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Pilgrim
Sun Oct 10, 2004 7:07 PM
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Sun Oct 10, 2004 9:18 PM
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Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:38 AM
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Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:44 AM
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Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:23 PM
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Tue Oct 12, 2004 8:10 PM
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Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:21 PM
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Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:19 AM
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Wed Oct 13, 2004 2:56 AM
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Wed Oct 13, 2004 3:34 AM
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Wed Oct 13, 2004 4:47 AM
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Wed Oct 13, 2004 5:36 AM
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Wed Oct 13, 2004 6:21 PM
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Wed Oct 13, 2004 6:40 PM
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Wed Oct 13, 2004 7:46 PM
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Wed Oct 13, 2004 11:40 AM
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Pilgrim
Wed Oct 13, 2004 6:09 PM
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Wed Oct 13, 2004 3:40 AM
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Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:45 AM
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Anonymous
Sun Oct 10, 2004 9:43 PM
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BibleRon
Mon Oct 11, 2004 12:47 AM
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Anonymous
Mon Oct 11, 2004 12:58 AM
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Pilgrim
Mon Oct 11, 2004 3:57 AM
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Mon Oct 11, 2004 9:02 AM
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Peter
Mon Oct 11, 2004 9:16 PM
Baptists and the 1789 Confession
timmopussycat
Sat Oct 16, 2004 5:56 PM
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Peter
Mon Oct 11, 2004 3:25 AM
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Peter
Sun Oct 10, 2004 7:06 PM
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Peter
Thu Oct 14, 2004 4:38 AM
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Anonymous
Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:02 AM
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Anonymous
Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:11 AM
No.
TheClingingVine
Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:09 PM
Re: No.
Anonymous
Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:53 PM
I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
TheClingingVine
Thu Oct 14, 2004 2:20 PM
Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
Anonymous
Fri Oct 15, 2004 12:35 AM
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TheClingingVine
Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:11 AM
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Pilgrim
Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:38 AM
[admiringly] Very well expressed, Pilgrim.
TheClingingVine
Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:41 AM
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Anonymous
Fri Oct 15, 2004 5:16 AM
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Henry
Fri Oct 15, 2004 11:22 PM
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Anonymous
Sat Oct 16, 2004 12:33 AM
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Henry
Sat Oct 16, 2004 1:32 AM
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Anonymous
Sat Oct 16, 2004 3:33 AM
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Henry
Sat Oct 16, 2004 12:31 PM
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Anonymous
Sat Oct 16, 2004 2:02 PM
That's all from me, folks.
Henry
Sat Oct 16, 2004 8:35 PM
Re: That's all from me, folks.
Anonymous
Sun Oct 17, 2004 3:48 AM
Re: That's all from me, folks.
Anonymous
Sun Oct 17, 2004 4:52 PM
Re: That's all from me, folks.
Anonymous
Tue Oct 19, 2004 4:51 AM
Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
Peter
Sat Oct 16, 2004 9:28 PM
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Anonymous
Sun Oct 17, 2004 4:28 AM
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Anonymous
Sun Oct 17, 2004 4:30 AM
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Pilgrim
Sat Oct 16, 2004 3:38 AM
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Anonymous
Sat Oct 16, 2004 3:56 AM
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Pilgrim
Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:13 AM
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Anonymous
Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:35 AM
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Pilgrim
Sat Oct 16, 2004 5:56 PM
Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
Anonymous
Sun Oct 17, 2004 3:32 AM
Re: help me clear my thoughts
janean
Sat Oct 16, 2004 10:44 AM
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Pilgrim
Sat Oct 16, 2004 5:49 PM
Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
Anonymous
Fri Oct 15, 2004 4:24 AM
Regeneration's an event, not a process.
TheClingingVine
Fri Oct 15, 2004 9:46 AM
Re: Regeneration's an event, not a process.
Anonymous
Fri Oct 15, 2004 11:13 AM
I don't think "contrition" and "repentance" are...
TheClingingVine
Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:00 PM
Re: I don't think "contrition" and "repentance" are...
Anonymous
Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:46 PM
Didn't you essentially agree with me?
TheClingingVine
Fri Oct 15, 2004 5:24 PM
Re: No.
Anonymous
Thu Oct 14, 2004 5:26 PM
I prefer to not get into debates on baptism.
TheClingingVine
Thu Oct 14, 2004 7:24 PM
Re: I prefer to not get into debates on baptism.
Anonymous
Thu Oct 14, 2004 8:09 PM
Re: I prefer to not get into debates on baptism.
Tom
Thu Oct 14, 2004 8:46 PM
Re: I prefer to not get into debates on baptism.
Anonymous
Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:54 PM
Re: I prefer to not get into debates on baptism.
Tom
Fri Oct 15, 2004 12:20 AM
[shudder] Eschatology! There's a sticky wicket.
TheClingingVine
Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:30 PM
Re: No.
Anonymous
Sun Oct 17, 2004 3:13 AM
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Peter
Sat Oct 16, 2004 8:43 PM
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Sun Oct 17, 2004 4:08 AM
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Peter
Sat Oct 16, 2004 8:03 PM
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