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pilgrim,
I seem to be teaching more than I am learning again.
Okay, what exactly does the phrase, more certain than that of adults mean? For something to be "certain" it is generally understood to mean "definite". So how can something be MORE certain? And what is it that is "more certain"? Is Luther saying that salvation is "more certain"? If not... WHAT is?
Luther makes it clear that there is no infallible baptismal regeneration when he says, "if any baptism is certain." Why are Lutherans constantly accused of holding a belief we reject both here and in our confessions?
So is this Reformed Arminianism or Arminian Reformed? "Vice versa" is an impossibility as it is impossible that regeneration is instrumental in producing faith AND faith is instrumental in bringing about regeneration. Either one needs to be made alive (Eph 2:1-5) in order to believe. OR... one needs to believe in order to be made alive. Which is it?
This would be impossible if there were any cooperation by man in either regeneration or producing faith. But God declares the sinner righteous and, at the same time, regenerates, gives faith, enlightens, etc. Please show me where the Arminianism is in that statement.
I'm not familiar with any biblical text which speaks of "faith apprehending the promise of infant baptism"? My Bible speaks everywhere of faith apprehending the Lord Christ but not baptism of any kind, whether adult or infant. Can you direct me to the relevant passage(s) please? Secondly, what exactly is it that is "promised" in infant baptism?
Salvation through faith alone. The passage is Mark 16;16. To apprehend the promise of baptism is to apprehend "that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus." Phil. 3:12. Faith looks to Jesus Christ alone through His Word alone.
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Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:11 AM
No.
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Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:53 PM
I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:38 AM
[admiringly] Very well expressed, Pilgrim.
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That's all from me, folks.
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 4:24 AM
Regeneration's an event, not a process.
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 11:13 AM
I don't think "contrition" and "repentance" are...
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:46 PM
Didn't you essentially agree with me?
TheClingingVine
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Thu Oct 14, 2004 5:26 PM
I prefer to not get into debates on baptism.
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 12:20 AM
[shudder] Eschatology! There's a sticky wicket.
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