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speratus, I'm afraid I am becoming more and more confused in trying to understand what you actually believe concerning baptism, regeneration, faith and justification. I'll try but one more time to ask pointed questions in the hope that I can get some cogent answers to help dispel my confusion. Regeneration is not infallible. But, as Luther says in his sermon, the baptism of children is more certain than that of adults: Okay, what exactly does the phrase, more certain than that of adults mean? For something to be "certain" it is generally understood to mean "definite". So how can something be MORE certain? And what is it that is "more certain"? Is Luther saying that salvation is "more certain"? If not... WHAT is? Regeneration is the giving of faith and vice versa. So is this Reformed Arminianism or Arminian Reformed? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> "Vice versa" is an impossibility as it is impossible that regeneration is instrumental in producing faith AND faith is instrumental in bringing about regeneration. Either one needs to be made alive (Eph 2:1-5) in order to believe. OR... one needs to believe in order to be made alive. Which is it? Faith alone apprehends <span style="background-color:yellow">the promise of infant baptism</span>. So, it would be reckless, indeed, to baptize a child brought by a parent who believes that baptism is just an ordinance to be obeyed or a mystical ceremony that saves by the outward act. I'm not familiar with any biblical text which speaks of "faith apprehending the promise of infant baptism"? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> My Bible speaks everywhere of faith apprehending the Lord Christ but not baptism of any kind, whether adult or infant. Can you direct me to the relevant passage(s) please? Secondly, what exactly is it that is "promised" in infant baptism? In His Grace,
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Wicked Baptists
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Baptists and the 1789 Confession
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Peter
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Anonymous
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Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:11 AM
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No.
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TheClingingVine
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Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:09 PM
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Re: No.
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Anonymous
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Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:53 PM
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I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
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TheClingingVine
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Thu Oct 14, 2004 2:20 PM
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Anonymous
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 12:35 AM
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TheClingingVine
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:11 AM
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Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
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Pilgrim
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:38 AM
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[admiringly] Very well expressed, Pilgrim.
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TheClingingVine
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:41 AM
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Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
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Anonymous
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 5:16 AM
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Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
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Henry
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Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
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Anonymous
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Henry
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Anonymous
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Henry
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Anonymous
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Sat Oct 16, 2004 2:02 PM
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That's all from me, folks.
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Henry
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Sat Oct 16, 2004 8:35 PM
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Re: That's all from me, folks.
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Anonymous
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Sun Oct 17, 2004 3:48 AM
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Re: That's all from me, folks.
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Anonymous
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Sun Oct 17, 2004 4:52 PM
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Re: That's all from me, folks.
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Anonymous
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Tue Oct 19, 2004 4:51 AM
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Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
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Peter
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Sat Oct 16, 2004 9:28 PM
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Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
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Anonymous
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Sun Oct 17, 2004 4:28 AM
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Anonymous
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Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
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Pilgrim
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Sat Oct 16, 2004 3:38 AM
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Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
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Anonymous
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Sat Oct 16, 2004 3:56 AM
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Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
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Pilgrim
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Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:13 AM
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Anonymous
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Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:35 AM
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Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
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Pilgrim
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Sat Oct 16, 2004 5:56 PM
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Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
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Anonymous
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Sun Oct 17, 2004 3:32 AM
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Re: help me clear my thoughts
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janean
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Sat Oct 16, 2004 10:44 AM
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Re: help me clear my thoughts
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Pilgrim
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Sat Oct 16, 2004 5:49 PM
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Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
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Anonymous
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 4:24 AM
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Regeneration's an event, not a process.
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TheClingingVine
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 9:46 AM
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Re: Regeneration's an event, not a process.
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Anonymous
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 11:13 AM
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I don't think "contrition" and "repentance" are...
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TheClingingVine
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:00 PM
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Re: I don't think "contrition" and "repentance" are...
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Anonymous
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:46 PM
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Didn't you essentially agree with me?
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TheClingingVine
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 5:24 PM
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Re: No.
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Anonymous
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Thu Oct 14, 2004 5:26 PM
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I prefer to not get into debates on baptism.
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TheClingingVine
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Thu Oct 14, 2004 7:24 PM
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Re: I prefer to not get into debates on baptism.
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Anonymous
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Thu Oct 14, 2004 8:09 PM
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Re: I prefer to not get into debates on baptism.
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Tom
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Thu Oct 14, 2004 8:46 PM
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Re: I prefer to not get into debates on baptism.
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Anonymous
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Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:54 PM
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Re: I prefer to not get into debates on baptism.
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Tom
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 12:20 AM
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[shudder] Eschatology! There's a sticky wicket.
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TheClingingVine
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Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:30 PM
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Re: No.
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Anonymous
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Sun Oct 17, 2004 3:13 AM
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Peter
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Anonymous
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Sun Oct 17, 2004 4:08 AM
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Peter
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Sat Oct 16, 2004 8:03 PM
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