I would like to commend all in the Lord for a tremdous thread thus far.

That said, I know Pilgrim will take me to task here, but all for the Glory of God brother. I am from the Kuyperian school of eternal Justification in a sense.

I also believe in a "preparatory grace" as an operation of the Holy Spirit. Right from Gen 1 we see this where the Spirit brooded, then God spoke. Also in the parable of the sower. The Word does not regenerate only the Holy Spirit does that. When you ask "Shouldnt the word be preached after regeneration, I do nto know what you mean by this. The Word is sown indiscriminately to the regenerate and unregenerate. The Elect and Reprobate. I also believe we are justified prior to faith. For I do nto have faith in my faith. Meeting to go to so more later God willing.

There never was a sinner half as big as Christ is as a Savior.