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Joe k said:
Speratus brings up a valid point. What Justifies us? What is imputed to us? IT is not our faith, it is the righteousness of Christ that is imputed to us <span style="background-color:yellow">which we then have faith in</span>. Since Abraham was justified in Genesis 12 upon the call, we have to determine what his faith was in.
Really? Again, I am left rather <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> Do you really believe that one believes on Christ as a consequence of having been justified? If this is what you are espousing, I would truly love to see the biblical support for it. If this is not what you believe, then perhaps you could rephrase the statement so that it better reflects what it is you do believe. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Doesn't anyone have the ability to READ or WRITE any more? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/igiveup.gif" alt="" />

This has NOTHING to do with the topic at hand and nor does speratus' infamous "wild goose chase" comments. Just how many times must one state something before it is at least acknowledged by someone? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" />

We are justified solely on the basis of Christ's vicarious substitutionary atonement. All the benefits of that atonement are applied to believers and them only when they believe. Believers are those whom the Spirit has regenerated out of which all evangelical graces flow, e.g., repentance, faith, sanctification, etc.

Hey, this is Salvation 101 here folks.

In His Grace,

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