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Joe k said: I should have said the effectual call applies justification. to the elect. Again, I have to disagree. The "effectual call" consists of: - Outward, general call; e.g., preaching of the gospel
- Inward call: regeneration and drawing to Christ by virtue of the new nature created by the Spirit
It is God Himself Who "applies" justification, i.e., makes a legal pronouncement declaring the believer, at the moment faith reaches out to Christ, is righteous. Justification follows faith. And faith follows the effectual call. You attempt to defend your view with: The biblical support is Abraham, for one. Are you denying that God who effectually calls one of His, does not apply the righteousness of Christ to that person at that moment? Regeneration is immediate. Whoa!! ![[Linked Image]](http://www.the-highway.com/Smileys/stop.gif) Perhaps part of the problem here is terminology. You appear to be using "effectual call" in a very broad, encompassing sense which includes conversion; i.e., regeneration, repentance and believing on Christ. IF that is the case, then I can understand, at least in part, how you would be wanting to say that "the effectual call applies justification". But nevertheless, it isn't the "effectual call" itself that applies justification, but God Who imputes the righteousness of Christ to the sinner at the moment he/she believes. And the believing always occurs, in the case of adults, immediately after regeneration. You further wrote: Romans 8 supports this also. All whom He called he justified. What else could that mean? . . . We are justified before repentance and believing. These are part of conversion. Methinks you have not understood what is entailed in this ordo solutis, specifically in regard to what transpires between the "and whom he called, them he also justified:"  The "calling" is to faith in Christ. And those who believe on Christ, "them he also justified". The biblical record concerning Abraham fully supports this: Romans 4:3-5 "For what saith the scripture? And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned unto him for righteousness. Now to him that worketh, the reward is not reckoned as of grace, but as of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is reckoned for righteousness."
Galatians 3:6-9 "Even as Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned unto him for righteousness. Know therefore that they that are of faith, the same are sons of Abraham. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand unto Abraham, [saying,] In thee shall all the nations be blessed. So then they that are of faith are blessed with the faithful Abraham."
In is an incontrovertible fact, according to the text, that justification FOLLOWS faith. The merits of Christ's atoning work is IMPUTED/RECKONED to the one who believes in time. Lastly you wrote: We do not cooperate in sanctification. Scripture says sanctification is a one time declaration in Christ, and a growth in grace. How can one become more sanctified than Christ? I believe sanctification is election per se' that is why Paul left it out of the chain. Pilgrim We do nto cooperate, we respond. But the object of our response has to be our utter helplessness and sinfullness and the Salvation found in Christ alone. Can you provide scriptural support for this view of yours? It seems you have opted to embrace only half of the biblical teaching re: sanctification. There are two elements of sanctification: 1) Definitive, and 2) Progressive. It isn't a matter of becoming more sanctified in Christ, but rather becoming more sanctified to be holy as God/Christ is holy. (cf. 1Pet 1:15, 16; 2:1-3; Eph 4:20-24; Jam 1:21; Rom 6; et al) [color:"purple"]Definitive Sanctification:[/color]º Definitive Sanctification by John Murray [color:"purple"]Progressive Sanctification:[/color]º Sanctification by B.B. Warfield º The Necessity of Progress by John Angell James You point to: I asked you to read the article by Crisp I posted. i believe he explains what i believe better!!!!!!!!! I will make a concerted effort to read that article by Crisp, D.v.  In His Grace,
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