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Kathy,

It being decidedly off-topic to prolong discussion of your current obsession in this thread about the Trinity, I offer a final word. Your making judgments about my motivation ("I don’t believe you have looked because you are biased") may or may not be accurate--the Lord will judge--but seems highly unwise to do based on the limited interchanges we have had. In fact, it seems exactly the kind of statement one expects from someone who is ... obsessed over a non-entity. Some of the following thoughts really belong in your other thread, but I offer them here since it seems that your obsession is driving you from biblical truth about the nature of God, and because you did not seem to engage any of the concerns addressed to you in the other thread, beyond re-stating various forms of:
I think it's pretty clear what's taking place as well. I can hear those old giant worms gnawing away as I write, and you could too if you would only listen, and were not so biased. Revelations told me so, too! ... the dragon, that old serpent ... which in Old English is the worm ... and chief among them is ... you worm Jacob ... and we all know who the Bible means by "Jacob". I guess my obsession isn't much different than yours, now, is it?

The Giant Earthworms, for any who haven't figured it out, represent a horrible, lurking, conspiratorial danger in the mind of a select few who are wise enough to sense their presence, but which are ignored (due to their non-existence!) by the rest of humanity. Their "existence" offers several advantages to the "wise few":

1) the Giant Earhworms always represent imminent threats, yet since no specific timetable is given for their appearance, they simply cannot be disproved, but merely twisted into more fantastic shapes as time passes. The "wise few" well know that with the fulfillment of OT civil law in Christ they are no longer subject to the temporal judicial treatment of false prophets, and they make full use of the privilege.

2) pieces of truth about the Giant Earthworms really do exist; there are real worms burrowing at this moment in my backyard; there are documents about your obsession that have been written by both esteemed and insane people, and those in-between. You mentioned lots of references. Guess what, Kathy? This is "the internet era"? A search for references to my church of 20 families gets 490 hits; a search for "giant earthworm" gets 1820 hits; "nostradamus" gets 804,000. The problem is, where do those scattered pieces of truth fit into the present, Biblical reality of Jesus Christ sitting at the right hand of His Father, subduing His enemies (and those of His people) under His feet, preparing His bride, in preparation for His return? You are looking at the world upside down by your obsession, in so doing, diminishing the reign of the Lord. BTW, on-topic, notice the Trinitarian language there: if there is no Trinity, is Jesus sitting ... at His own right hand?

3) the "wise few" share with the gnostics the intense satisfaction of having "discovered" secret knowledge which was hidden from the "ignorant, duped many". This self-satisfaction poses a real spiritual threat to pride when the non-initiate world refuses to listen, and can be a real motivation for choosing to be deceived.

4) by obsessing over the "Giant Earthworms", the very real, far greater dangers of life become increasingly overlooked. "Guard your life and your doctrine closely", Paul warns Timothy, in context of avoiding myths and godless chatter. Kathy, let me ask a blunt, rhetorical question: Has your pursuit of your obsession enabled you to better love God and your neighbor, according to His commands (some of which commands, by the way, are actually included in the infamous list of laws you posted!)? Your musings in this current thread have caused me--maybe others--to feel that your understanding of a basic Christian teaching, simple enough for a child to articulate, is on such shaky ground that you seem ill-equipped to interpret other issues.

Several closing comments about the details of your obsession (staff, have mercy for being off-topic; this will be my last word on the subject here).

1) You greatly misinterpret Acts 15, by failing to take its context into account. The Jerusalem Council addressed an issue WITHIN THE CHURCH ONLY! Paul was most emphatically not concerned about the persecution of believers by unbelieving Jews, but rather the temptation to adulterate the purity of Gospel faith by requiring Gentiles to observe a legitimate ceremonial function. To imply otherwise as you have done draws totally unwarranted conclusions from the sacred text.

2) Throughout much of the New Testament, using rough figures, the non-Christian Jewish community outnumbered the total Christian community by perhaps a factor of 100 to 1; now that ratio is roughly inverted. If anyone were to be concerned about Jews killing Christians, it should have been the apostles; it did occur in isolated incidents, as Paul well knew, yet was restrained by the hand of the Lord; yet they found comfort in the blessedness of being persecuted for their Lord. Paul tells the Thessalonians that God's wrath was being to be completely poured out on the Jews for that early persecution. Nowhere does he speak of more to follow.

3) The apostles do not seem to have received much revelation about: but you apparently have. Wonder where, or rather who, that "revelation" is coming from?

4) do you fail to see the irony in the historical fact that one of the most recent obsessions with domination (by the same people you fear), in the 1930's and 1940's in the heart of Europe, those who saw the rest of the world as uninspired or for some reason resistant... or duped are now universally, rightly judged to have been willingly deceived?

5) finally, where is Christ in all of this? It seems like some people want their words and lives to be increasingly about "Christ, and Him crucified", while others would rather talk only about ... Giant Earthworms.

Oh no! One just broke out of the ground! It's coming across the backyard! It's coming up the back steps! It just ate up the back door! I'll put jello on the floor so it'll slip*! It ate up all the jello! It's coming in my office! Now it's got my foot! Now it's got my ........................






* apologies to Bill Cosby, "Chicken Heart", 1966