Dear J Edwards,

I had started a long reply... First I went out to the sites... to paste the other religions/philosophies you saw similarities with. But there are only so many combinations of interpretations... and it’s messy. I’m not saying I won’t honor the question, with an answer... but you will get a very long answer.... after which, I truly believe you won’t be satisfied.

I’m not in a denomination. Do I think Christians of Yesteryear had the Holy Spirit... any of them?... YES, I do.

RE: TRUTH... Well of course to what you said... “Good intentions, and bad directions pave the way to hell”


I read that Constantine was praying for guidance and to know the Truth... to the Christian God... for answers. He had a dream... to build a golden spear, with wreath and the initial ‘P’ with an ‘X’... and this would be for a sign... to conquer in Christ. I’m sure he thought the dream was from God. The Word says that the Lord... HIMSELF... DECEIVES! Yes! I didn’t know it. He absolutely does and will... SENDS EVIL even! Delusion! He does it all/allows, etc.

Not in attempt to “prove” anything... may I back up and ask you how you understand some of the verses that I posted... such as Jesus said He is the I AM... that He said He would raise this temple up in 3 days. That He was the one that blinded Paul, spoke to him. Back in the days of Moses... wouldn’t this have been the Father? (that I don’t think that I’m leaving ‘anybody’ out.) But I sincerely wonder if the Trinity ‘focus’ does.

Back to these Christians in history... and ‘Kathy.... any of them saved? ANY?’ How many of us... spend that much time thinking, contemplating the verbage, etc of the doctrine? i.e., is Jesus co-equal with the Father? or rather Jesus is Lord.... and that he reveals the Father.

[color:"0000FF"]Luk 10:22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and [he] to whom the Son will reveal [him].

Hbr 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.[/color]

J, Consider this....

[color:"0000FF"]1Cr 4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet [have ye] not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.


1Cr 4:16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.


1Cr 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.


2Cr 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:


2Cr 6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. [/color]


Today I am thinking that the Trinity doctrine messes us up in the “revelation that the mystery of the ages is manifest in Jesus Christ” ... and the Trinity doctrine is supposed to do that... (by divine design) Please don’t quote me on that. Thus the parable about the 3 loaves and leaven.... Find Jesus. (Would you be willing to take a stab at this parable)