Dear J Edwards,


You wrote:
To deny the Trinity or any part thereof is to deny Christ and to proclaim you are not a Christian. THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE SAYING (?)... that to believe the Fullness/unity of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit IS in Jesus Christ... and my belief THAT in JESUS, we Know the Father... (only through Christ Jesus.) BECAUSE in so realizing the Father IS Exalted IN the Son... (Father) Revealed IN/Through His SON. YOU ARE SAYING: That this statement denies Jesus Christ?

Jhn 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? HE THAT HATH SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER; and HOW SAYEST THOU [then], SHEW US THE FATHER?


I am not denying Father/Son-Jesus/Holy Spirit. I believe this is a relationship in UNITY by REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST... and Revealed (ONLY) by and through Jesus Christ to man... BORN ANEW of the ONE SPIRIT in Jesus, Our God and Our Lord and Saviour

BUT THEN... You say this “The coming of the Holy Spirit is, in effect, the coming of the ENTIRE TRINITY”... well here... though I don’t use the UNBIBLICAL term ‘Trinity’... I BELIEVE AND AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY! (Which of the 3 separate persons speaks to us, and comforts us?)

What I am saying is the Father/Son/Spirit ARE ONE. Saying “3 separate persons” (but one) is not SPIRITUAL Truth. Yes, Jesus Christ is the only Mediator between God and Man... and no man comes to the Father but through HIM (Jesus)... But to conclude the following with such a statement delegates Jesus to messenger: “Pray to Jesus... then He delivers the prayer to the Father.” and then... Jesus and/or the Father sends the Holy Spirit... WHEN YOU ALREADY STATED the ‘Trinity’ is entirely within the Holy Spirit. How then is the Holy Spirit a SEPARATE ‘person’ ?

SPIRITUALLY DEDUCING that JESUS Christ is messenger (“but I mean really God”) IS ANTI-CHRIST. THIS denies the deity of Jesus. Consider your statement to me “To deny the Trinity (3 Separate persons... as separate... but we mean one) is to deny Jesus Christ”.... I ask you: Is it EVEN Possible to Consider Jesus Christ TOO IMPORTANT in the Godhead? Is THIS blasphemy? In the beginning was the Word. That HE said “How sayest thou, Shew us the Father” and believe HIS WORD? That God planned that the FATHER be GLORIFIED IN THE SON! (Is the 1st person of this ‘Trinity –group-but-one’ jealous that I glorify the Father in the 2nd person, ‘the Son’ ?) When it was God’s good pleasure to set it up as such? Set it up, meaning that the FATHER be EXALTED IN THE SON.

From your statement alone about the Fullness of the ‘Trinity’ in the Holy Spirit... I can’t help but wonder if you spiritually discern the Trinity as I do when I say ‘ONE.’ But I don’t want to falsely assume. The spiritual/discernment/belief in what the Trinity means, among individuals must vary. But the majority – of what I have read... Speak of 3 separate persons (meaning identity, separate speakers, etc)... with delegations as such.

Mt 13:33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and HID in THREE MEASURES OF MEAL, till the whole was LEAVENED.

This verse has been noted by Trinitarians as ‘proof’ of the ‘Trinity doctrine.’ It can be noted as saying something entirely deep and dark. I don’t mean that the kingdom of heaven is dark. I mean that the Wisdom of Jesus Christ is HIDDEN in 3 measures until fully leavened. LEAVEN is not a good thing. We don’t hide the truth... but there it is hidden in 3 measures with leaven by a woman.

Jer 7:18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.

Much more could be added here... about tri-theism throughout civilization starting with Nimrod and SEMIRAMIS"!
(Though she is not referred to in Gen. 11, she is seen later on in the prophecy by reflection through AHAB AND HIS WIFE JEZEBEL!)

Since God is invisible, you cannot see His hand, save what He reveals:

Jhn 12:37 But though He had performed so many signs before them, {yet} they were not believing IN HIM.

Jhn 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Jhn 14:11 Believe me that I [am] in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
the WORD is the image of the invisible God who know man knoweth but the SON, and no man knoweth the Son but the Father and whom he reveals the Son
Jn: 8:24: I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM HE, ye shall die in your sins.
Now that Jesus is come in the flesh, Immanuel, "God with Us" did God cast that image away? NO

For He is the Image we will see, the Image He created us in His Likeness, the Image who is in the Glorified body of God, and which we must assume, to enter the Kingdom of Sion, that same image is Incorruption, Glorified and sealed at Calvary for we Believed He is the IAM.
John 8:58 – “Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM”