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beloved57 said:
The point here is that, those who are saved will believe the gospel and that entails limited atonement 1cor 15:1-4 christ died for our (the brethern, elect,the chosen, the seed of abraham, the sheep, the children of God ) sins ! every word of God is inspired and has a purpose ! Pilgrim to say that limited atonement is not part of the gospel truth, is not good, you say its not, and the scripture says it is! Who should I believe?
You can believe whomever you want, which you have incontrovertibly shown to be yourself. Your "eisogetical" rending of the Scriptures is well documented at this point and has been consistently rejected and rebutted. We do not accept your "salvation by doctrine" extremism but rather we hold firmly and will tenaciously defend the biblical doctrines of Sola Gratia, Sola Fide and Solus Christus. A person can profess to believe in all the correct doctrine they want but yet be dead in their sins because they have not believed upon THE MAN CHRIST JESUS. Perhaps God will someday open your eyes to this glorious truth which has been the foundation of the Church. I have little doubt that Marc Carpenter is smiling upon you at this very moment. Perhaps you will receive an invitation to join "Outside the Camp"?


Galatians 2:20 (ASV) "I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I that live, but Christ living in me: and that [life] which I now live in the flesh I live in faith, [the faith] which is in the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself up for me."



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Then you wrote:
Thats paul own private testimony, he is not preaching the gospel !
Really? In my Bible, Paul is expounding upon the true gospel vs. the false gospel of the Judaizers in chapters 1-3 of Galatians. If there ever a place where one could read of what the Gospel is, it would have to be there. CONTEXT please!

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In regard to Definite Atonement, you quipped:
This is a contradiction, it should not be excluded, because it is an essential truth, it describes for whom christ died! . . . every, roman catholic and arminian, seven day adventis, would agree with this !
Again, you are blinded by your extremist view(s) and guilty of reductio absurdum. For the last time, all consistent Calvinists hold that "Definite Atonement" is an essential doctrine within the confines of soteriology. And, it should be preached and taught within the Church. But it is NOT necessary that it be included in one's gospel presentation. The fact that Roman Catholics, Arminians, et al agree that Christ died for sinners doesn't necessitate that it is false. This is a biblical truth. The Lord Christ did not say, "Come unto me all who are elect and I will give you rest." or "Come to me if you are one for whom I died and I will give you rest."

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