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who said anything about being saved because you believe in right doctrine ? Because being the key word here. Show mw where I said that ?

Again, you don`t understand. Believing the right doctrine or teaching on who christ is and what he has done for his people, does not cause you to be saved, but it makes manifest your saved state. Pilgrim said he was saved before he understood the gospel which includes limited atonement.

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Now, to answer your question above... I did not believe any "gospel".

This comment contradicts scripture:

rom 1: 16 which states For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

mark 16: 15, 16
15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

So what kind of statement is I did not believe any gospel?

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I believed on the Lord Jesus Christ as I repented of my sins

Now how can you believe on the Lord Jesus Christ without believing the Gospel message paul spoke of?

In acts 16 30And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

31And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

32And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.

Notice in verse 32 , they spake the word of the Lord to them. Speaking the word of the Lord ! The gospel of christ. They took time to teach out of the scriptures who christ is and what he done for his people. No doubt he used scriptures like Isiah 53 , like with the ethiopian eunech.

Thats why I made that statement, it is impossible to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ without believing the Gospel.. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/bananas.gif" alt="" />

I hope I got the quotes right, and I appreciate the help <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/BigThumbUp.gif" alt="" />

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That God would love me, despite of who I was/am was incomprehensible yet a truth that was impressed upon my heart as I believed

There is no scriptural evidence of God Loving a person save His Elect, in other words the bible no where speaks of Gods salvation Love to sinners in general, but only to His elect, or sheep, or those given by the Father ! Look in every context where the word is used and you will see. Even in the popular Jn 3:16 verse, if preached by a God called preacher, it will refer to Gods Elect

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It was over quite a few months of reading the Scriptures; cover to cover and over and over that I came to understand what is nicknamed "Calvinism", although I had no knowledge of even the word Calvinism . . . nor Arminianism either, for that matter. What I did know is that what I came to believe theologically from my reading and study of the Bible is that it was antithetical to what was being preached in all the churches around where I lived. And I also learned very quickly that my doctrinal views were very unpopular, even hated by those who professed to be Christians.

I believe Pilgrim was regenerated at this time, and God subsequently brought him to faith in the Christ . yes I do see evidence from his testimony that he came to faith after God moved him to read the scriptures. I do believe in regeneration before faith...