Pilgrim,

I will need then to understand the difference between for-ordained and predestined.... OK.

At this moment...
QUESION: WHY/How are the elect predestined?
ANSWER: (it seems to me) "Because God said so" and will have to remain a mystery.

Do you think this can be/should be understood? That is what I meant.

So (rhetorically again) where does this leave the Gospel message/presentation?

I was viewing an online debate (elsewhere) between an Arminian and Predestination believer... The latter said this:

"It is the command of God that every man repent and believe the Gospel. This is the revealed will of God to man. However, in His secret will, His decretive will, He has appointed some men to salvation and others to condemnation. Man’s duty is to obey the revealed will of God. We are not to speculate on the secret will of the Lord."