waronthesaints,<br><br>I'm not going to respond to most everything you wrote because I have already addressed them. Your inability to accept the Scriptures or even read them without injecting your humanistic philosophy into them, if one could even call it that, makes it impossible to converse with you intelligently. (1Cor 2:14) But I do thank you for stating this:<blockquote>for a calvinist must always say "I did not choose God, God choose me . . .</blockquote>I thank you for unintentionally exalting Calvinism as that which was taught by the Lord Christ, the Sovereign Redeemer Who saves whom HE will and said:<blockquote>John 15:16 (KJV) "Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and [that] your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you."<br><br>And the apostle Paul echoes his Lord's teaching also when he said of those who are found in Christ:<br><br>2 Thessalonians 2:13 (KJV) "But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:"</blockquote>Remember, Lazarus didn't petition Jesus to be restored to life as he was DEAD 4 days in the tomb. Thus it is utter foolishness to suggest that a man born "dead" can choose or receive Christ before he is born again. Again, your willful refusal to accept the clear and plain teaching of John 1:12, 13, which is merely indicative of your obstinacy against God's sovereignty in salvation may lead to your utter destruction.<br><br>Oh.... btw.... it is ARMINIANISM, not armenianism. [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/wink.gif" alt="wink" title="wink[/img]<br><br>In His Grace,


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