<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>[color:"blue"]That is disprespectful, because never do you address the central theme of my proof against calvinism but find ways to deflect from it. What is that central theme? God gave us a free-will bestowed in His image and He does not mess with it, . . . blah, blah, blah. . .</font><hr></blockquote><p>Enough of the silly rhetoric, please? You have offered not ONE single text of Scripture to support this man-made notion that "God respects His image", etc., and thus the alleged "free-will" which you say Adam had in the Garden wasn't lost at the Fall when he died, yet lived. Others have quoted from Romans 9, e.g., Prestor John, yet you totally ignore these texts as you have the ones I have given and even briefly exegeted for you. The fact is, much to your distaste, is that God created some men for glory and some for damnation; both for HIS own glory.<br><br>You have no "proof" against Calvinism because there isn't one. [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/rolleyes.gif" alt="rolleyes" title="rolleyes[/img] I haven't misused John 15:16 because it has never been mentioned in any of the posts here by anyone?? [Linked Image]<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>[color:"blue"]In 2 thess 2.13 know why the saved are chosen before the foundation of the world. if you take this scripture legalistically, you become a calvinist. But if you accept the fullness of God's Word you realize that the saved are chosen from the beginning because God in His righteous bestowment of free-will knows who would receive Him ahead of time a foreknowledge omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent.</font><hr></blockquote><p>Yeh, so you keep saying.... but again where is the biblical teaching, evidence, texts, etc. to support this?? Hey, where's the beef? [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/rofl.gif" alt="rofl" title="rofl[/img]<br><br>In His Grace,


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