All the same mantra and mentalizations but is without life. Let provide you the finding. What is discovered is you have a faith of the mind and not a faith of the spirit. Your spirit is not your guiding principle but your mind is preimiment and thereby its errors go unseen because of the spirit unquickening. This means, your thinking process, your reality, that your flesh has constructed, has not been from a quickening of spirit, may very well be without new life and without the indwelling Holy Spirit. This is why in your conscience you care not for these basic priniciples but love to rationalize, even though I have overturned and will always be able to overturn them, and you will always come back with your retort and I won't like as I will see the flaw in it as I have each time hundreds even thousands of times men before you. Nothing changes. We, the body of Christ, can not get throug to you because you are playing in a different ballpark. It really is, like comparing apples to oranges, or like trying to get a dog to procreate with a bird. It is impossible.<br><br>I thought to reply to all your misunderstandings and mistaken assumptions, but I realized that would just beget more mistaken assumptions and more misunderstandings of what I said. If you are unwilling to understand what I said, there is no point in explaining what I said because you take that explanation and turn it in yet to something else of additional misunderstanding and mistaken assumptions of the truth of God. Until you show a willingness to stop do this, engaging such banter is pointless. You have to start showing a heart for God and not for the obsessions of your mind's stirrings. Man's mind will always find away out of the point being made of God's Holy Spirit, eg. you used the architect to rationalize away the conversation between the oracle and Neo, so you used a false movie to deny the illustration, nevertheless, the illustration still stands on its own merit to prove the point that OSAS.<br><br>I characterize conversations I have with reformed calvinists as dumbing down. It is nice however to see such men slowly have a change of heart from their zombiism or to seek the spirit's concience activitated that maybe there is something wrong with this obsession with killing free-will and preselecting men for hell while others for heaven. Though unfortunately I have seen no hearts for God hear for this change of mind.<br><br>I will keep praying.<br>
Last edited by waronthesaints; Mon Aug 18, 200311:41 AM.