This is the crux of the error of calvinism, which I have repeated so many times but it doesn't get acknowledged like the calvin mind in its poor conscience just blanks over it. You are asking me this question because you have identified the source of the discerpency between calvinism and armenianism, though it goes unnoticed, you have awakened yourself to it.<br><br>God made us. God made us in His Image, which is with a free-will like His to freely choose under Satan or under God to be obedient or not, to accept by the grace of God eternal life or remain unsaved, typified by not eating of the tree of life nor accepting Christ. A true God will not impinge on this. Preselectism does not say this though. Preselectism says your god already decided anyway so too bad. It is really quite demented when you see it for what it is. Imagine a god deciding already who is to be saved and who is not denying will in His Image has anything at all to making that choice for Him or gainst Him to receive His life or to receive another. This is so insane, so crazy, so disturbing that for one to be saved while still believing this, strikes me as a virtual impossibility except for babes in Christ who are yet dealing with the matter; with a little more knowledge will be able to easily rebuke it in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. For these I hold nothing against them for being a fleshly Christian is something yet to overcome in life, but one who is a calvinist of many years and well read too, who still remains so, is an indication truly he was never saved to begin with and that he is under the fold of a different god, not the God of the Bible. That is why when talking to a calvinist you are observe mistaken assumption after mistaken assumption about their false accusations of Arminiasts proving that alone shows Calvinists are in lalaland blaming the sky, the ground and the toothfairy to make their case. The reason why a calvinist can't understand and arminiast in this simple explanation is because the very mind you are using to try and understand is itself the problem. It is not yet renewed in Christ by quickening the spirit that can transmit these truths to the mind renewing the mind with God's truths. And so that is why I suggest you read that book. Begin that process now and you will come into GOd's fold and out of the fold of this false god of calvinism. It is simple, though not so simple for a calvinists love of mental gymnastics no mater how flawed they may be, its that love of mental spinnings that is the problem. An arminiast is careful at the outset not to make the first initial mistaken assumption that a calvinist has so careless circumvented thus fullowing this insane god of calvinism who is like a zombie lord and you are his zombis because he picked you without you ever having to pick him. This is never how God operates, never. In knowing this you can know a loving God must be received by those who receive Him and His grace. That is true love, the way, the truth and the life. Bible teaches this. That is why we all must make a choice to come to Christ or not. If you think you came to Christ not of your own free-will thereby God giving you the gift of eternal life, I will suggest to you quite confidently that you were never saved to begin with because accepting Christ is not done in passivity and it is not done with blankness of mind where it seems to happen out of nothing without your consideration. This is rather often a baptism of the unholy spirit leading straight to hell. Remember, God graces, and it is always God's final decision, but God has asked each and every one of you have your come to Him so He can enact this promise upon you graciously as He promised. This is meaningful and purposeful, wheras as the zombiism of calvinism is not that at all, totally missing the dymanic of what is occuring. Calvinism is its own humanism, however misrepresenting the truth, and thereby living in that lie to end of its days. Christ will destroy it all at His parousia

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