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If nothing else, please appreciate that the basis for my practice is the precedence I believe that is set forth in Scripture. I think that my position is clearly set forth in this thread, so I would prefer to leave this discussion at this time.

RonD, Please do not feel I am pressuring you and I apologize if you have taken what I have posted otherwise. I just simply disagree with your assertions, which of course is my right. I desire to understand this from the biblical point of view and thus am interacting on the subject…as I am sure you are as well.

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I Please think about it this way. Given what you have said above, you should not treat anyone as one for whom Christ died. However, I'm sure you do treat many people as part of the church.

RonD, I believe in treating people in a Gospel manner. If someone tells me (1) they are a Christian (2) and are demonstrating the fruits thereof, then I no longer (1) attempt to win them to Christ, and (2) pray rather for their sanctification vs. their salvation. Thus, I do treat people differently in the visible Church and I believe you do as well. Thus, I presume no ones election or regenerate state, but rather, according to Scripture, listen/look for their confession of the Lord Jesus accompanied with the works there of (Rom 10:9-10; Eph 2:8-10, et. al.). If you speak to your children about the saving knowledge of Christ to help them understand that Christ died for them, that they must have faith, repentance, et. al., then you too do not believe in presumptive regeneration, but if you do not speak to your children with this hope, expectation, and consideration then IMHO you are not obeying the Gospel.


Reformed and Always Reforming,