pilgrim said:Thanks for the clarification. And thus I strongly reject your premise, i.e., "The effectual call causes justification. Please give biblical evidence which you feel supports your view.

I should have said the effectual call applies justification. to the elect.

The biblical suport is Abraham, for one. Are you denying that God who effectually calls one of His, does not apply the righteousness of Christ to that person at that moment? Regeneration is immediate.

Romans 8 supports this also. All whom He called he justified. What else could that mean?

Again since I believe we are also justified in Gods eternal council, this issue between us had to result.

We are justified before repentance and believing. These are part of conversion.



pilgrim said: Sanctification is a synergistic work, i.e., God and man working together under the total control of the Spirit of God to accomplish the end for which the sinner was originally predestined, called, justified and glorified. (cf. Eph 1:4-13; Rom 8:29, 30; Phil. 2:12, 13; 1Cor 1:30; et al)

We do not cooperate in sanctification. Scripture says sanctification is a one time declaration in Christ, and a growth in grace. How can one become more sanctified than Christ? I believe sanctification is election per se' that is why Paul left it out of the chain. Pilgrim We do nto cooperate, we respond. But the object of our response has to be our utter helplessness and sinfullness and the Salvation found in Christ alone.

I asked you to read the article by Crisp I posted. i believe he explains what i believe better!!!!!!!!!

There never was a sinner half as big as Christ is as a Savior.