Dear Pilgrim,

((I initially addressed this to J.Edwards, referencing 'you stated'... so, it's 'not you' but J. ))

I suspect you think I’m messing with you... but I’m not.

If there should be a ‘model’ that the Councils strayed from keeping in INTENT (I’m not saying deliberate) and FOCUS, it is THIS one...

Collosians 2:9 - "For in him dwelleth ALL the FULNESS of the GODHEAD BODILY"

Who was lost in this Creed... Jesus Christ (that is my initial answer)
Instead of unity we have a mantra of co-equality to-getherness...

In a repetitive mantra... not three... but one... but not three... co-equal... (co-equal implies separate... three does not mean one... but we don’t really mean three... we really mean one.)

and we get this language:

but the whole ,three Persons are coeternal together and coequal

and the helpful additional description ‘3 PERSONS’ that Scripture forgot to mention... while we search for the hidden wisdom of Christ to be revealed through his Word.... that being “No man comes to the Father, but through me” and consider the DEPTH of that statement as can only be revealed... SPIRITUALLY... and as faithful seekers remember that Jesus said “Before Abraham was I AM”

Again, compared to this: SPIRITUAL INTENT AND FOCUS

Collosians 2:9 - "For in him dwelleth ALL the FULNESS of the GODHEAD BODILY"

The MANTRA continues... FAR from Paul’s revealed wisdom:
For there is one Person of the Father, ANOTHER(person) of the Son, ANOTHER (person) of the Holy Spirit. (But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, is One) sort of... not really three... forget three

And just in case anyone is not sure what is required of the Trinity:

But it is necessary to eternal salvation that he also believe faithfully the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Where’s the SALVATION Doctrine... did they forget to include some scripture? any scripture?

CREED:
And they that have done good shall go into life eternal

RE: SALVATION instead we get this ambiguous first line of the document... with no explanation of by Grace through Faith... rather this instead...
Whoever wills to be in a state of salvation, before all things it is necessary. . .


And... this... this is NOT my statement of Faith:
Now the catholic faith is that we worship One God in Trinity and Trinity in Unity

WHY NOT?

Because only IN and THROUGH JESUS CHRIST.... Do we know the FATHER (who is NOT a Separate Person... AND is REVEALED in JESUS CHRIST) Who IS HOLY SPIRIT and Incarnate ‘Son’.

YOU SAID... in the HOLY SPIRIT was the Fullness of the Trinity... I told you, I agree (except I would say God-head... that Jesus/Father and Holy Spirit are SPIRIT... but this Revelation is only possible IN JESUS)

CREED:
For like as we are compelled by Christian truth to acknowledge every Person by Himself to be both God and Lord

Can’t separate. When I say Holy Spirit I mean GOD who IS ONE.... I am NOT compelled to acknowledge... each of the ‘three’ by HIMSELF, meaning apart... each as GOD (meaning separate persons of God). No matter how you slice it... it’s 3 (but not really... we don’t want to give you the wrong idea.)

CREED:
the Son uncreated also must believe Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ SO, This is saying that Jesus Christ existed as (a Separate Person), ‘Son’ from the Father before His Incarnation. The Father/Son relationship was created with the Incarnation of the Word (OF THE SAME ONE GOD, HOLY SPIRIT, “IAM”) God entered humanity in the flesh in Jesus Christ ‘SON’ of God... who sought not His own glory.... But his Father testified of Him and the angels, and the Holy Spirit of the One God. AND we come to know GOD in the way HE CHOSE... THROUGH HIS SON... Jesus Christ (Who is God.)

YES, JESUS CHRIST ALWAYS EXISTED... HE IS THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA... He did not exist as ‘Son of man’ ‘Son of God’ until he became Incarnate. He IS the Fullness of the God-head.

If I tell you... I believe that JESUS IS the FATHER/Son/Holy Spirit... and the ONLY WAY to know God IS through JESUS... ARE you telling me, I am denying Jesus Christ? AM I making too much of him? Jesus Christ is Lord and God.

Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

Mar 8:29 And he saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

Jhn 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM, ye shall die in your sins.