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Dear J,
Please believe this... I don’t wish to attempt anything. I’m grueling over many inconsistencies and enigmas... and a deep mistrust of Tradition, (being former Catholic does not help.) And I don’t know Hebrew, nor Greek. And if I sound/have sounded arrogant... you don’t understand (but you don’t need to) I’d start at square one... and go back to kindergarten if need be.
I have read,but I could never prove it... that YHWH, Tetragammaton etc... these were edited/messed with. I don’t know... and when I compare text of New Testament versions alone -- lots of squirrely things among the editions are going on. I don’t even want to go there.
But no... I’m not looking to exalt Jesus over the Father. You know why? Because I cannot do such a thing. I’m just a girl with questions. And God won’t likely go for it. But if God is ONE... in the way that I am/have been contemplating... It isn’t possible to exalt anybody over anybody... because “they” are ONE.
I’ve read the following concerning Eusebius after signing the Nicean Creed (you’ve probably seen as such:
Eusebius said that the motivation for compromise was fear as evidenced by the confession of several delegates who later regretted their signing of the ruling (Nicene Creed/Trinity), and after summoning their courage, wrote to the Emperor (Constantine): [color:"FF0000"] "We committed an impious act, O Prince, by subscribing to a blasphemy from fear of you".[/color]
But I just would have *assumed* (a bad thing) that even in the Trinitarian view... in an essence/substance “one truth” kind of way, even... that you would have told me Yes... these OT references “make my Holy name known”.... and Jesus saying “I AM” and scripture saying that Jesus is the “name above all names”.... I would have thought you would have said Yes to this.... meaning the name of the Lord is Revealed in Jesus Christ... as the mystery of the ages made manifest. So this is again, why I asked... I wanted to know your understanding.
So far... I’ve got Patripassianism, Modelism, I forget the other isms... plus now... Subordinationism (means I am trying to give the Father an inferiority complex) And if I used to be one person... the part of me that is typing this is not sure. I'm sorting this out... speaking what I feel are convictions, then realizing this is not the right place to 'debate'... Then listening to your input (as much as I can take... I mean as feeling pointed at, at times) etc, because I have to. Yet I realize, you are taking your time to thoughtfully respond and answer.
-Kathy
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