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It was over quite a few months of reading the Scriptures; cover to cover and over and over that I came to understand what is nicknamed "Calvinism", although I had no knowledge of even the word Calvinism . . . nor Arminianism either, for that matter. What I did know is that what I came to believe theologically from my reading and study of the Bible is that it was antithetical to what was being preached in all the churches around where I lived. And I also learned very quickly that my doctrinal views were very unpopular, even hated by those who professed to be Christians.
Then remarks: I believe Pilgrim was regenerated atthis time, [color:"red"]and God subsequently brought him to faith in the Christ</font>. yes I do see evidence from his testimony that he came to faith after God moved him to read the scriptures.
I must commend you for doing such a stellar and succinct job of proving Paul's, my and everyone else's point on two fronts:

1) You do in fact believe in "salvation by doctrine".
2) You are guilty of self-contradiction in your view(s)

Applying your unbiblical view to the Apostle Paul, it must be that Paul was not saved until AFTER his 3 years in the Arabian desert where he was taught by Christ and learned the "true gospel" (according to your standard) and not on the road to Damascus or at the home of Ananias. Simply amazing!! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wow1.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/igiveup.gif" alt="" />

On another note, I also adamantly reject, at least your implicit view of an elongated/delayed time frame regeneration.

I do think it is time to ask a few important questions of you:
  1. Can you point to any historic Creed, Confession or Catechism which teaches your views?
  2. Can you point to any particular denomination which holds to your views?
  3. Can you provide a brief list of some notable men who hold to your same views?

In His grace,

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