The Highway Forums General Discussion Open Forum Calvinism

Again notice, that Spurgeon is conveying the idea of the renewed will verses self-will. A simple matter that should not be turned into calvinism, and then used to falsely accuse. That is why you misquoted me, for I did not say I would walk away, though I would if I was calvinist, as I know some who have because of the one-wayness of this systmem, a natural consequence, unfortunate. You do not realize how free man's free-will is and that is why there is a heaven and hell, inspite of your words "not as free as you would have it to be". This is to me the difference of calvinism and armenianism, where calvinism of course is always trying to be a control-freak and make man a zombie. I don't like. Calvinism does not deny man has a will, but it describes it as a fake free-will of very little signficance even though one the most important stories in the Bible is the Garden of Eden showing where the true emphasis lies, not on automatons. It is all quite unbalanced, showing something is wrong in the heart of the calvin man. Since the narrow gate is entered from a narrow path, that would explain lots.<br><br>As you know the cause of and effect is all messed up under calvinism from not your view, since a dead man means not the same thing as it does to you. Dead meaning nothing of oneself can receive the truth but only that which is of God and that is a spark of truth which yet remains from the grace of God-given free-will before the foundation of the world and shown available to be exercised in the Garden and throughout the centuries in men with a will under God or under Satan that man having that will originally righteously untouchablly unmanipulated and unimpeded. That is the difference between Satan and God. Satan attempts to manipulate it, like calvinism, but God never does. Some men therefore are never saved because of resistible grace. Do not believe irresistible grace for again that makes you an automaton, and always the purposes of Satan is to automatize men make them believe some untruth to turn them into automatons, that I pray in time by the grace of God you will be able to see.<br><br>Of course, God sought out man first but man resistably refuses grace non-automatonically, though not all men, but under calvinism, it is different, where some are handpicked coldly like a domino system where some remain and some fall, for do you not see how dead a thing is of this calvinism. God says it is not a domino system but a system where He knows which will stand and which will fall; nothing of Himself will He infringe unrighteously like calvinism, but He lets them in freedom choose to receive Him and He graces them fully of Himself. This is a loving God, a non-partial God whom knows the corruptible flesh of men, their conditional election, universal atonement for all men equally (not partiality system of calvinism which is prideful), and human ability graciously bestowed in that which in the image of God that same free-will where God's will is perfect making God God, but man with the same free-will obviously is not God because man let it slide.<br><br>CONCLUSION: calvinism denies of the grace of free-will and places its emphasis instead on the grace of recovery from total depravity but there is no such thing as total depravity for man still is made in the image of God no matter how much it sins. Amen. Though I have not said it yet, my conclusion is that less than 5% of calvins are saved because of this messed up cause and effect relationship that produces a pride, though they obviously cannot see it, in being the stick men that stand up preselected and premanipulated and predetermined, which of course I find quite sick and demented like a cult. I am convinced they are fallen and still have not received new life though Satan loves to get men to believe they are saved when they are not. That is what GWT is for so these men can see their true hearts they have veiled over by 1001 articles.<br><br>The proper order is GRACE --------> CHOICE (RECEIVING) -----> SALVATION (God of truth of the Bible of Armenianism)<br><br>NOT<br><br> SALVATION --------> GRACE ------------------------> CHOICE (false god of untruth of calvinism).<br><br><br>The latter stimulates the soul, the former builds the spirit. The latter kills free-will, the former allows free-choice. The latter is emotional, the former is exactly how God desires man to be, spirit, soul and body and in that proper order, 1 Thes. 5.23, Heb. 4.12<br><br><br>Thankyou Jesus!!<br><br>The truth shall set you free. <br><br><br><br>