I have been sort of loosely following this thread, and I am sure many others have brought this up to you, but why is it that you believe these individuals were Christians to begin with? I have encountered similar individuals who come to church, hang out for a while, then after a period time drift away; but I have never concluded that they were saved and then walked away from their salvation. How can someone undo the regenerating work of God in their heart? Can a man take his spiritual heart of flesh and replace it with a heart of stone? That is just silly thinking in my mind. <br>Much of your dilemma is founded upon an erroneous view of the will. I would imagine that you believe in freewill (perhaps someone has addressed this already), but that is a philosophical belief, not one grounded in scripture. I asked other Arminians if they believe such an occurance could happen in heaven; that men could walk away from their salvation in heaven. In you thinking could a believer walk away from God in heaven once they are there? Why or why not? Would that not imply God violates their "freewill" inorder to keep them there in his presence?<br><br>Fred

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