Costello:<br><br>Seconding Joe's thoughts and reinforcing those of one of the quotes from Gill as follows:<br><br>"The “all” design not the apostles only, who were given to Christ as such; for these did not all, in a spiritual manner, come to him, and believe in him; one of them was a devil, and the son of perdition; much less every individual of mankind: these are, in some sense, given to Christ to subserve some ends of his mediatorial kingdom, and are subject to his power and control, but do not come to him, and believe in him:"<br><br>What is interesting here is that many "come to Him" but of those, if you read the scriptural accounts, including the parable of the sower, many have a "temporary faith" and thus "believe for awhile". There is a difference between a natural faith and a spiritual God given faith. The old Puritan divines, including Gill, were careful to distinguish between natural and spiritual faith, the one being the product of man and the other the product of the Holy Spirit's seed in the soul of man giving new, spiritual life.<br><br>In Him,<br><br>Gerry