The Highway Forums General Discussion Theology Discussion Forum Falling away from what?

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>[color:"blue"]It is a payment of price with the intention to recover something. It is to buy up for ones own use. There is nothing in that definition that includes imputed righteousness. Every sinner is redeemed but only those who receive it, will benefit from it in the sense of salvation, but redeeming the sinner was also necessary for God to be able to punish them.</font><hr></blockquote><p><br><br>The redeemed are delivered from sin and the punishment it incurs---DELIVERED. Those who are not elect/unsaved can in no wise be said to have been delivered from anything. They remain in bondage to sin and incur the punishment due them.<br><br><blockquote>[He] gave Himself for us to redeem us from every lawless deed, and to purify for Himself a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds (Titus 2:14, NASB).</blockquote><br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>[color:"blue"]It is like a number of prisoners having an outstanding debt at the bank you can’t pay. Someone else makes a huge deposit and says “just call the bank and ask them to transfer my money to your account, I told them to do it for any one who calls.” You have to make the call to clear the debt and be freed from prison, if you don't make the call, you serve the term and then are deliverd to the redeemer anyway because he had bought you.</font><hr></blockquote><p><br><br>This example is just not making sense to me. In the first place, you make salvation ultimately dependent upon the work of man, again. "You have to call for this money to be transferred to your account." No, but Christ has already transferred the money to the account of the redeemed, and that is not dependent upon call we make. Then also those who are not redeemed will be delivered over to God as judge and jailer, not to Christ as Redeemer.