I am reading the intro essay to” "The Death of Death in the Death of Christ". I don’t like it. I need something with more scripture support. This is very heavy handed, and ‘just take my word for it’. The Arminian view is very grossly misrepresented which I am finding is common in what I have read in articles here so far.<br><br>What I wanted to ask though was if God so expertly saves and keeps the elect without any volition on their part, how did Adam fall in the first place? Are we to assume He can keep us any better, or was it something He allowed Adam to have that we are denied, like a free will?<br><br>Which is not to imply that He needs our help, but only to say if that was His plan to have a group of people to serve Him that are without personal will or are so held in His power that their will is completely impotent, it would appear something went terrible wrong. Or at least He would not have taken this route to that end.<br><br>

Last edited by costello; Fri Oct 31, 2003 3:28 AM.