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Boanerges said: Speratus: First you haven't proven the Baptists deny baptism as an efficacious means of grace. Second: Your reasoning regarding the wickedness of baptists is still flawed. Do not Lutherans when they have catechumins that are not infants and not baptized baptize them after they have completed their studies and joined the Church? Why do they not baptize them first and then continue with their instruction? Are they not just as "wicked as the Baptists?
1. Their confession proves it:
Baptism is an ordinance of the New Testament, ordained by Jesus Christ, to be unto the party baptized, a sign of his fellowship with him, in his death and resurrection; of his being engrafted into him; of remission of sins; and of giving up into God, through Jesus Christ, to live and walk in newness of life.
1689 London Baptist Confession
Why did the baptists alter the WCF to remove any reference to baptism as a means of grace?
2. Again, I did not say Baptists were wicked. I assume trinitarian Baptists are Christians. I said they were acting wickedly by withholding baptism.
I am not aware of any Lutheran pastor who withholds baptism from anyone who desires it simply because they have not completed a course of instruction on the Lutheran Church. I agree that any pastor who withholds baptism in that circumstance is behaving wickedly.
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Wicked Baptists
Peter
Sat Oct 09, 2004 6:20 PM
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Anonymous
Sun Oct 10, 2004 2:55 AM
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Pilgrim
Sun Oct 10, 2004 3:12 AM
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Sun Oct 10, 2004 3:48 AM
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Pilgrim
Sun Oct 10, 2004 4:34 AM
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Sun Oct 10, 2004 5:11 AM
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Sun Oct 10, 2004 10:11 AM
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Sun Oct 10, 2004 3:25 PM
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Sun Oct 10, 2004 4:28 PM
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Pilgrim
Sun Oct 10, 2004 7:07 PM
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Sun Oct 10, 2004 9:18 PM
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Sun Oct 10, 2004 10:22 AM
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Sun Oct 10, 2004 11:01 AM
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Sun Oct 10, 2004 4:04 PM
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Sun Oct 10, 2004 4:30 PM
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Anonymous
Sun Oct 10, 2004 4:35 PM
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Peter
Sun Oct 10, 2004 5:39 PM
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Anonymous
Sun Oct 10, 2004 6:12 PM
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Anonymous
Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:38 AM
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Anonymous
Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:44 AM
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Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:49 AM
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Anonymous
Tue Oct 12, 2004 1:49 PM
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Pilgrim
Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:23 PM
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Tue Oct 12, 2004 5:23 PM
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Anonymous
Tue Oct 12, 2004 8:10 PM
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Pilgrim
Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:21 PM
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MHeath
Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:19 AM
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Pilgrim
Wed Oct 13, 2004 2:56 AM
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Wed Oct 13, 2004 3:34 AM
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Pilgrim
Wed Oct 13, 2004 4:47 AM
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Wed Oct 13, 2004 5:36 AM
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Pilgrim
Wed Oct 13, 2004 6:21 PM
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Wed Oct 13, 2004 6:40 PM
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Pilgrim
Wed Oct 13, 2004 7:46 PM
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Anonymous
Wed Oct 13, 2004 11:40 AM
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Pilgrim
Wed Oct 13, 2004 6:09 PM
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Wed Oct 13, 2004 3:40 AM
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Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:45 AM
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Anonymous
Sun Oct 10, 2004 9:43 PM
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BibleRon
Mon Oct 11, 2004 12:47 AM
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Anonymous
Mon Oct 11, 2004 12:58 AM
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Pilgrim
Mon Oct 11, 2004 3:57 AM
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Anonymous
Mon Oct 11, 2004 9:02 AM
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Peter
Mon Oct 11, 2004 9:16 PM
Baptists and the 1789 Confession
timmopussycat
Sat Oct 16, 2004 5:56 PM
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Peter
Mon Oct 11, 2004 3:25 AM
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Peter
Sun Oct 10, 2004 7:06 PM
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Peter
Thu Oct 14, 2004 4:38 AM
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Anonymous
Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:02 AM
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Anonymous
Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:11 AM
No.
TheClingingVine
Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:09 PM
Re: No.
Anonymous
Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:53 PM
I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
TheClingingVine
Thu Oct 14, 2004 2:20 PM
Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
Anonymous
Fri Oct 15, 2004 12:35 AM
Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
TheClingingVine
Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:11 AM
Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
Pilgrim
Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:38 AM
[admiringly] Very well expressed, Pilgrim.
TheClingingVine
Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:41 AM
Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
Anonymous
Fri Oct 15, 2004 5:16 AM
Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
Henry
Fri Oct 15, 2004 11:22 PM
Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
Anonymous
Sat Oct 16, 2004 12:33 AM
Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
Henry
Sat Oct 16, 2004 1:32 AM
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Anonymous
Sat Oct 16, 2004 3:33 AM
Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
Henry
Sat Oct 16, 2004 12:31 PM
Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
Anonymous
Sat Oct 16, 2004 2:02 PM
That's all from me, folks.
Henry
Sat Oct 16, 2004 8:35 PM
Re: That's all from me, folks.
Anonymous
Sun Oct 17, 2004 3:48 AM
Re: That's all from me, folks.
Anonymous
Sun Oct 17, 2004 4:52 PM
Re: That's all from me, folks.
Anonymous
Tue Oct 19, 2004 4:51 AM
Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
Peter
Sat Oct 16, 2004 9:28 PM
Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
Anonymous
Sun Oct 17, 2004 4:28 AM
Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
Anonymous
Sun Oct 17, 2004 4:30 AM
Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
Pilgrim
Sat Oct 16, 2004 3:38 AM
Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
Anonymous
Sat Oct 16, 2004 3:56 AM
Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
Pilgrim
Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:13 AM
Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
Anonymous
Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:35 AM
Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
Pilgrim
Sat Oct 16, 2004 5:56 PM
Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
Anonymous
Sun Oct 17, 2004 3:32 AM
Re: help me clear my thoughts
janean
Sat Oct 16, 2004 10:44 AM
Re: help me clear my thoughts
Pilgrim
Sat Oct 16, 2004 5:49 PM
Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
Anonymous
Fri Oct 15, 2004 4:24 AM
Regeneration's an event, not a process.
TheClingingVine
Fri Oct 15, 2004 9:46 AM
Re: Regeneration's an event, not a process.
Anonymous
Fri Oct 15, 2004 11:13 AM
I don't think "contrition" and "repentance" are...
TheClingingVine
Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:00 PM
Re: I don't think "contrition" and "repentance" are...
Anonymous
Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:46 PM
Didn't you essentially agree with me?
TheClingingVine
Fri Oct 15, 2004 5:24 PM
Re: No.
Anonymous
Thu Oct 14, 2004 5:26 PM
I prefer to not get into debates on baptism.
TheClingingVine
Thu Oct 14, 2004 7:24 PM
Re: I prefer to not get into debates on baptism.
Anonymous
Thu Oct 14, 2004 8:09 PM
Re: I prefer to not get into debates on baptism.
Tom
Thu Oct 14, 2004 8:46 PM
Re: I prefer to not get into debates on baptism.
Anonymous
Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:54 PM
Re: I prefer to not get into debates on baptism.
Tom
Fri Oct 15, 2004 12:20 AM
[shudder] Eschatology! There's a sticky wicket.
TheClingingVine
Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:30 PM
Re: No.
Anonymous
Sun Oct 17, 2004 3:13 AM
Re: Wicked Baptists
Peter
Sat Oct 16, 2004 8:43 PM
Re: Wicked Baptists
Anonymous
Sun Oct 17, 2004 4:08 AM
Re: Wicked Baptists
Peter
Sat Oct 16, 2004 8:03 PM
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