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I found Luther's defense in his sermon on infant baptism quite convincing. The quote you included from Luther makes no mention of "infants" but rather "children". But even so, you once again state: " No, they [regeneration and faith?] occur at the same time." Now this appears to be in contrast to that which you have stated elsewhere; that faith may follow regeneration by a considerable amount of time. There is obviously some confusion here. So, let me try and get to the heart of the matter once again by asking you: "Does regeneration occur infallibly, without exception, at baptism . . . particularly in the case of infants/children?" And, "Does faith occur immediately consequent to regeneration?" Could you suggest some articles to help me understand this concept of covenant baptism? It seems contrary to justification by faith alone. Covenant Baptism . . . what is written there is NOT what I hold to be true. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> They must be brought to baptism by the parents (Acts 2:39) which does suggest a family relationship. But does their parents faith save them? What if their parents don't believe? Is there no covenant baptism in that case? But I wanted to know if you hold that any infant that is brought forward to be baptized must have at least one believing parent? Or... can anyone bring their child(ren) to be baptized? - 1) I hold that justification is by grace through the faith of an individual. There is no such thing as a "proxy faith"; the faith of one cannot be applied to another.
- 2) My view says that if there is not at least one professing/believing parent, then baptism is not to be administered to their children. For, there is no "covenant baptism", i.e., the promise is to believers and their seed alone, should they be called of God and believe, and not to the world at large.
In His Grace,
simul iustus et peccator
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Wicked Baptists
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Peter
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Mon Oct 11, 2004 9:16 PM
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Baptists and the 1789 Confession
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Peter
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Mon Oct 11, 2004 3:25 AM
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Peter
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Peter
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Thu Oct 14, 2004 4:38 AM
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Anonymous
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Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:02 AM
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Anonymous
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Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:11 AM
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No.
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TheClingingVine
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Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:09 PM
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Re: No.
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Anonymous
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Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:53 PM
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I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
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TheClingingVine
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Thu Oct 14, 2004 2:20 PM
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Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
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Anonymous
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 12:35 AM
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Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
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TheClingingVine
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:11 AM
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Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
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Pilgrim
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:38 AM
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[admiringly] Very well expressed, Pilgrim.
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TheClingingVine
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:41 AM
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Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
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Anonymous
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 5:16 AM
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Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
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Henry
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 11:22 PM
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Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
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Anonymous
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Sat Oct 16, 2004 12:33 AM
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Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
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Henry
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Sat Oct 16, 2004 1:32 AM
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Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
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Anonymous
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Henry
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Sat Oct 16, 2004 12:31 PM
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Anonymous
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Sat Oct 16, 2004 2:02 PM
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That's all from me, folks.
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Henry
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Sat Oct 16, 2004 8:35 PM
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Re: That's all from me, folks.
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Anonymous
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Sun Oct 17, 2004 3:48 AM
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Re: That's all from me, folks.
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Anonymous
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Sun Oct 17, 2004 4:52 PM
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Re: That's all from me, folks.
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Anonymous
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Tue Oct 19, 2004 4:51 AM
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Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
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Peter
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Sat Oct 16, 2004 9:28 PM
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Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
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Anonymous
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Sun Oct 17, 2004 4:28 AM
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Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
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Anonymous
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Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
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Pilgrim
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Sat Oct 16, 2004 3:38 AM
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Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
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Anonymous
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Sat Oct 16, 2004 3:56 AM
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Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
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Pilgrim
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Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:13 AM
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Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
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Anonymous
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Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:35 AM
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Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
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Pilgrim
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Sat Oct 16, 2004 5:56 PM
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Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
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Anonymous
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Sun Oct 17, 2004 3:32 AM
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Re: help me clear my thoughts
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janean
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Sat Oct 16, 2004 10:44 AM
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Re: help me clear my thoughts
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Pilgrim
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Sat Oct 16, 2004 5:49 PM
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Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
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Anonymous
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 4:24 AM
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Regeneration's an event, not a process.
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TheClingingVine
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 9:46 AM
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Re: Regeneration's an event, not a process.
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Anonymous
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 11:13 AM
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I don't think "contrition" and "repentance" are...
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TheClingingVine
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:00 PM
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Re: I don't think "contrition" and "repentance" are...
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Anonymous
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:46 PM
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Didn't you essentially agree with me?
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TheClingingVine
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 5:24 PM
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Re: No.
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Anonymous
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Thu Oct 14, 2004 5:26 PM
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I prefer to not get into debates on baptism.
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TheClingingVine
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Thu Oct 14, 2004 7:24 PM
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Re: I prefer to not get into debates on baptism.
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Anonymous
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Thu Oct 14, 2004 8:09 PM
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Re: I prefer to not get into debates on baptism.
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Tom
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Thu Oct 14, 2004 8:46 PM
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Re: I prefer to not get into debates on baptism.
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Anonymous
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Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:54 PM
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Re: I prefer to not get into debates on baptism.
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Tom
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 12:20 AM
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[shudder] Eschatology! There's a sticky wicket.
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TheClingingVine
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Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:30 PM
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Re: No.
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Anonymous
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Sun Oct 17, 2004 3:13 AM
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Peter
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Sat Oct 16, 2004 8:43 PM
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Anonymous
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Sun Oct 17, 2004 4:08 AM
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Re: Wicked Baptists
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Peter
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Sat Oct 16, 2004 8:03 PM
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