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Pilgrim said: speratus,
I'll say it one more time, "Baptism is NOT necessary nor instrumental in one's justification!" There simply isn't a shred of biblical warrant for anyone to believe this.
After man is regenerated and given faith, he cooperates in the works of the spirit. But such cooperation does not save him. Salvation is not of works less any man should boast.
This statement is far too vague and it would appear you are trying to circumvent the more specific statement I made and which is one of the core beliefs of the Reformed churches. Regeneration is the secret, sovereign and sole act of the Holy Spirit in which a sinner is a recipient and of which is not comprehended at its occurence. Conversion is that response of a sinner who has been regenerated wherein he/she repents of sin and believes upon Christ unto justification.
Put simply, a sinner in:
Regeneration - passive
Conversion - active
In His Grace,
Faith alone justifies which the Holy Ghost alone works without any cooperation by man. This is truly a regeneration. But the Holy Ghost does not work faith without means (Word and Sacrament).
The regenerate should not be concerned about the moment of their regeneration but take comfort in the promise of scripture, "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved."
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Wicked Baptists
Peter
Sat Oct 09, 2004 6:20 PM
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Sun Oct 10, 2004 3:12 AM
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Sun Oct 10, 2004 3:48 AM
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Sun Oct 10, 2004 5:11 AM
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Sun Oct 10, 2004 3:25 PM
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Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:38 AM
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Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:44 AM
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Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:49 AM
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Tue Oct 12, 2004 1:49 PM
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Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:23 PM
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Tue Oct 12, 2004 5:23 PM
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Tue Oct 12, 2004 8:10 PM
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Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:21 PM
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Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:19 AM
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Wed Oct 13, 2004 2:56 AM
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Wed Oct 13, 2004 4:47 AM
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Wed Oct 13, 2004 7:46 PM
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Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:45 AM
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Sun Oct 10, 2004 9:43 PM
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Mon Oct 11, 2004 12:47 AM
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Mon Oct 11, 2004 12:58 AM
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Mon Oct 11, 2004 3:57 AM
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Mon Oct 11, 2004 9:02 AM
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Peter
Mon Oct 11, 2004 9:16 PM
Baptists and the 1789 Confession
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Sat Oct 16, 2004 5:56 PM
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Sun Oct 10, 2004 7:06 PM
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Thu Oct 14, 2004 4:38 AM
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Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:02 AM
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Anonymous
Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:11 AM
No.
TheClingingVine
Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:09 PM
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Anonymous
Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:53 PM
I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
TheClingingVine
Thu Oct 14, 2004 2:20 PM
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Anonymous
Fri Oct 15, 2004 12:35 AM
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TheClingingVine
Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:11 AM
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Pilgrim
Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:38 AM
[admiringly] Very well expressed, Pilgrim.
TheClingingVine
Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:41 AM
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Anonymous
Fri Oct 15, 2004 5:16 AM
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Henry
Fri Oct 15, 2004 11:22 PM
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Anonymous
Sat Oct 16, 2004 12:33 AM
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Henry
Sat Oct 16, 2004 1:32 AM
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Anonymous
Sat Oct 16, 2004 3:33 AM
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Henry
Sat Oct 16, 2004 12:31 PM
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Anonymous
Sat Oct 16, 2004 2:02 PM
That's all from me, folks.
Henry
Sat Oct 16, 2004 8:35 PM
Re: That's all from me, folks.
Anonymous
Sun Oct 17, 2004 3:48 AM
Re: That's all from me, folks.
Anonymous
Sun Oct 17, 2004 4:52 PM
Re: That's all from me, folks.
Anonymous
Tue Oct 19, 2004 4:51 AM
Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
Peter
Sat Oct 16, 2004 9:28 PM
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Anonymous
Sun Oct 17, 2004 4:28 AM
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Anonymous
Sun Oct 17, 2004 4:30 AM
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Pilgrim
Sat Oct 16, 2004 3:38 AM
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Anonymous
Sat Oct 16, 2004 3:56 AM
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Pilgrim
Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:13 AM
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Anonymous
Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:35 AM
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Pilgrim
Sat Oct 16, 2004 5:56 PM
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Anonymous
Sun Oct 17, 2004 3:32 AM
Re: help me clear my thoughts
janean
Sat Oct 16, 2004 10:44 AM
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Pilgrim
Sat Oct 16, 2004 5:49 PM
Re: I'm not tying regeneration to anything.
Anonymous
Fri Oct 15, 2004 4:24 AM
Regeneration's an event, not a process.
TheClingingVine
Fri Oct 15, 2004 9:46 AM
Re: Regeneration's an event, not a process.
Anonymous
Fri Oct 15, 2004 11:13 AM
I don't think "contrition" and "repentance" are...
TheClingingVine
Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:00 PM
Re: I don't think "contrition" and "repentance" are...
Anonymous
Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:46 PM
Didn't you essentially agree with me?
TheClingingVine
Fri Oct 15, 2004 5:24 PM
Re: No.
Anonymous
Thu Oct 14, 2004 5:26 PM
I prefer to not get into debates on baptism.
TheClingingVine
Thu Oct 14, 2004 7:24 PM
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Anonymous
Thu Oct 14, 2004 8:09 PM
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Tom
Thu Oct 14, 2004 8:46 PM
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Anonymous
Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:54 PM
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Tom
Fri Oct 15, 2004 12:20 AM
[shudder] Eschatology! There's a sticky wicket.
TheClingingVine
Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:30 PM
Re: No.
Anonymous
Sun Oct 17, 2004 3:13 AM
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Sat Oct 16, 2004 8:43 PM
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Sun Oct 17, 2004 4:08 AM
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Peter
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