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And I believe that many seek his face and are caught in the snare of their own device and understanding, and that it is only Jesus who reveals his identity to us by the Holy Spirit.

He came in the very image we creatures so highly esteem.... the image of man... the image of us, our ‘selves.’ And then he took on the heap of everything the image of man is due.... and flesh was crucified, and He conquered sin and death for us. In following him, we must lose our self and seek his face.

Rev 19:16
And he hath on [his] vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

I'm sorry, but what IS the question here? Kathy, it seems as though your questions about the Trinity morph into a statement about seeking His (Jesus') face. And if it's His face you seek then only conclusion that can be drawn from this is, as your quote of the verse in Revelations states, that He IS King of Kings and Lord of Lords which makes Jesus the very God that we worship. Now if that is the case, and it is, then how else would you explain the relationship between the Father and Son? Then add in the Holy Spirit, who in Scripture, cannot be blasphemed, lied to or sinned against or grieved; moreover, it is the Holy Spirit that opens the "eyes" of the unregenerate to become regenerate. And if "Salvation is of the Lord" (it begins, continues and ends with Him), then how do we reconcile the Holy Spirit, the Son and the Father? As others have stated and as has been understand through the history of the church this is defined as the doctrine of the Trinity. If the relationship between the three is not understood in these terms then one would have to conclude there are three distinct persons who are worshipped distinctly, making three Deities...right? But that would be wrong because the Lord our God is one God and there is/are no others.

It is interesting that when we can't wrap our minds around something, especially as important as belief in the TRUTH of God's word, that we reject it. How dangerous this is...I will admit openly that I may not understand quite a few things fully, but that doesn't negate the truth of the Word. And my prayer is "conform my self and my mind to Your truth...and PLEASE do not leave me in my own understanding."

God help us.

tj
"-that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection..."