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Kathy said: What I meant: The Word doesn’t make this statement: “God is one, but three persons: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit” That’s man’s extrapolation. And I count three Gods (but one.) There cannot be "three Gods (but one)", as for no other reason than it violates the most basic law of "non-contradiction", i.e., something cannot be and not be at the same time. Secondly, the Scripture says emphatically that there is but ONE God. (cf. Mal 2:10; Mk 12:32; 1Tim 2:5; Jam 2:19). AND... at the same time, the Scripture says that the ONE God consists of the Father, Who is God and the Son, Who is God and the Holy Spirit, Who also is God, thus the three persons ARE the ONE God, each being God. (cf. my biblical proofs in my last reply and 1Cor 8:6) All three persons are eternally existent and simultaneously existent as opposed to what many of the heresies teach, e.g., "Modalistic Monarchianism", which teaches that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are but three "modes" of manifestation successively assumed by the Godhead. But this is easily shown to be gross error from the simple fact that a combination of the three Persons were manifested all at the same point in time or Who are said to function independently, e.g., at the Lord Christ's incarnation (Lk 1:35), at Christ's baptism. (Matt 3:16, 17;), Christ's resurrection: 1) God raises Jesus from the dead, 1Thess 1:10; 2) The Father raises Jesus from the dead, Acts 3:26; 3) Jesus raises Himself from the dead, Jh 2:19-21; and the Holy Spirit raises Jesus from the dead, 1Thess 1:10. The Son (Word) was both with God and was God; this showing that the Son is a separate person Who is also one of the members of the ONE God. You then asked: Why can’t I stick with the Word? You may think that is arrogant or disrespectful ? of me... Why do I need to submit to any creed other than Jesus Christ when it comes to understanding his Word? It’s salvation. These creeds weren’t accepted and revised until the 4th century... with powerful religious authority that decreed who was and wasn’t able to attain salvation. Which is God’s decision. And that power which isn’t man’s has been misused. So, I do question intent. The Holy Spirit has been around longer than that. It is not arrogance to "stick with the Word" but it is rather arrogant to think that you can stand above and/or apart from every other Christian and the Church to whom the Holy Spirit was given for the purpose of knowing all truth. Those who God has called by His Spirit are not only called to an individual faith in the Lord Christ unto salvation, but they are also adopted to be part of the family of God as "sons". (Rom 8:14; 2Cor 6:18; Gal 4:5; Heb 12:22) Within that family, the Church, God the Spirit has discriminately given gifts for the benefit of the whole; one being that of teacher. (Eph 4:11-14; 1Cor 12:4ff) A rejection of God's appointed means of teaching is what Paul warned about. (1Tim 4:3) And it is also true that there was, is and will be false teachers who are called heretics. (1Cor 11:19; 2Pet 2:1) Thus is imperative that every teaching be scrutinized against the Scriptures. (1Jh 4:1) You stated: I disagree that the Word of God needs the additional explanation "I and my Father are ONE" (John 10:30). Pray tell, how is one to understand what ANYTHING read in the Bible means if it is not explained? To simply quote a text without anything more is meaningless. In regard to Jh 10:30, are you saying that the text has no need of explanation? Does not the CONTEXT determine its true meaning along with considerations of its historical setting and grammar? If you even attempt to answer a question in regard to anything in the Bible, either to others or even yourself, you are forced to give a meaning, i.e., your understanding of the text. This is inescapable. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Consider these things well. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> In His Grace,
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