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Oh contrare.... Jesus Christ did not always exist so says God's infallible Word:

John 1:1-3 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him; and without him was not anything made that hath been made."

And then of this "Word" (Grk: Logos), it is written:

John 1:14 "And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us (and we beheld his glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father), full of grace and truth."

God the "Logos" is eternal and and it is He Who created all things. And, the "Word became flesh (took on human flesh), cf. Phil 2:5-11. And who was this person who became? It was none other than the Lord Jesus Christ, the God-man; God incarnate. Jesus Christ is a historical figure Who came into existence in time and space. Yet in the one person of the Lord Christ there existed two persons; the "Word", aka: the Son of God and man. But because of the inseparable relationship that exists between the two persons and the nature of the incarnation, it can be rightly said that the Lord Jesus Christ is divine. Yet we attribute eternality and aseity to the Son only, for the human nature of Christ was corporeal.

Yes, without any reservation whatsoever. You are confounding the three persons and speaking illogically. For as J_Edwards clearly pointed out, albeit briefly, the Father spoke of the Son and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him. Jesus Christ prayed to the Father. And, He said He would send another comforter in His absence after He would ascend to the Father beside Whom He would sit, etc. To deny such things is if nothing else to contradict the basic law of "non-contradiction", i.e., it is impossible for something to be and not be at the same time.

Let me finish by putting for this simple challenge. If you boil water in a vacuum, the result is that the original state of water, i.e., liquid, changes into a gas (vapor) and then freezes (solid). The result is that you have one element, H²O existing in three forms simultaneously, liquid, gas, and solid. If it is therefore possible for one of the most basic elements on earth to exist in three forms yet remain one element, how much more feasible is it that the God Who created all things by just the word of His mouth to exist as One God yet consist of three persons?

In His Grace,