i`m sorry you lost me. i just wrote that paul wrote to those who had believed the gospel. evidently he knew of philemon's faith in the lord jesus christ. vs 5 Hearing of thy love and faith, which thou hast toward the Lord Jesus, and toward all saints;

paul says the same thing to the romans look at romans 1: 8

First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

Joe, your reference to philemon only proves my premise that he evidently heard the gospel preached and had faith.. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/bananas.gif" alt="" />