yes, thats true ! If a elect jehovah witness who has not been brought to a knowledge of who christ is and what he has done for the sins of his people and that he was God, sure he will still be saved because he is a elect, but at this particular time in their life, prior to God revealing the truth to them regarding who christ is and what he has done, to me he has not manifested his salvation yet, because they still manifest belief in a false doctrine.

so I cannot say that person is saved , how could I ? We are not God , we are not omniscience ! We can only know that one could possibly be our brother or sister by what they confess to be true about the doctrine of christ they hold and confess. Do you think paul would have been accepted and fellowhipped by the other christians if he did not evidence a belief in the gospel of the christ he recently hated and vehemently persecuted ? Come on give me a break with that argument, it is so weak and you know it sir... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/bash.gif" alt="" />