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Well I'm no different than most everyone else here in that I am most <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> by this reply; like most all the other replies you have made in regard to the doctrine of the Trinity. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/scratchchin.gif" alt="" />

I will be brief here so as to try and focus on but a couple of items which are fundamental and need clarification, at least on my part:

1) You categorically deny that you hold to the heresy of the Oneness Pentecostals who teach a form of "Modalism"; i.e., they make the Holy Spirit the only god who has appeared in three forms. Yet you wrote that Jesus Christ is "Completely God... Father/Son/Holy Spirit". To me, this is saying exactly what the Oneness Pentecostals are teaching with the one exception being you substitute the Jesus Christ for their Holy Spirit. It is true that the "Godhead" [Father, Son and Holy Spirit] dwelt in the Lord Christ bodily. (Col 2:9) But this doesn't mean that Jesus Christ IS "Father, Son and Holy Spirit". The SON took on human flesh (incarnation), not the Father and not the Holy Spirit.

2) It is also true that in the person of Jesus Christ there are two "natures"; one divine and one human, for God the Son became man. (John 1:14) Thus it is the divine "SON" who is eternal God and not the historical Jesus Christ who is eternal God. The eternal SON became man, i.e., He took upon Himself a human body and soul in addition to His own being. (Phil. 2:6-8; cf. Chalcedon Creed)

3) If as you say, that Jesus Christ is "Father/Son/Holy Spirit", then who was it that spoke at His baptism? (Matt 3:17) And what/who was it that descended upon Him like a dove at His baptism? (Matt 3:16) Did Jesus Christ thus pray to himself when He prayed to the Father? Wouldn't this make Him nothing short of delusional?

4) Lastly, could you try and explain to me what/who is the Father? the Son? and the Holy Spirit? And further, what if any, is the relationship between the Father, Son, Holy Spirit and Jesus of Nazareth? Perhaps if I put it to you this way:

(a) Is the Father the Son?
(b) Is the Father the Holy Spirit?
(c) Is the Father Jesus Christ?
(d) Is the Son the Holy Spirit?
(d) Is the Son Jesus Christ?
(e) Is the Holy Spirit Jesus Christ?
(f) Is Jesus Christ the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit? If yes.... what is the relationship of those persons/things to each other? Are "Father/Son/Holy Spirit" simply names? are they persons? are they gods?