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I have just been reading AW Pink's commentary on Hebrews 6:1-6. He, of course, is Calvinistic, believing that a truly saved person can not "fall away". Never having been taught Calvinism, I now have a much better understanding of this doctrine than before. It has never been clear to me how a person who goes through all the expressions of being saved can in fact remain spiritually unborn.<br><br>He says, for example, they were enlightened in their natural senses that inspires action but not in the spiritual sense that transforms, they tasted of the heavenly gift (Christ or the Spirit) meaning they "have to a certain degree understood and relished the revelation of mercy; like the stony-ground hearers they have received the Word with a transient joy". And so on. <br><br>To my thinking, this creates an even greater danger and fear than that of falling away. What assurance do I have that I am not one of "those"? The heart is deceptive above all things and desperately wicked. Even if I have been a Christian for 30 years, it might be by shear blind tenacity on my part like so many following false religions and not a true Christian at all. If I have never been persecuted, how do I know I am not a 'stony ground' hearer?<br><br>This would seem to be more a basis for insecurity than security.<br><br>A question I have with this Calvinistic view is if those who fall away in this text were never born again in the first place, what's the point of the warning? If they are not saved to begin with, what are they going to lose by 'falling away'? What are they falling away from?<br>
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