The Highway Forums General Discussion Theology Discussion Forum For Whom Did Christ Die?

How strange that some of us here are more than familiar with "theological language" but who, nonetheless, are more than confused by your responses. At best they seem evasive if not outright "illogical", as Paul_S stated.

RE: "To put the question in simpler terms: Who would be God if people could sin and get away with it?" Now truthfully, are you really asking (rhetorically it is assumed), if sin was not dealt with judicially, who would be God? I can't imagine anyone being God if sin was and is dealt with judicially. Are you SURE you are wanting to know, "who would be God"? but perhaps you meant to ask, "who would God be if sin wasn't dealt with judicially?" <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/scratch1.gif" alt="" />

Regardless of this mess, the fact remains that God HAS indeed dealt with sin; i.e., no one gets away with sin(ning) without receiving just punishment for it. The biblical teaching is that ALL men are punished for both being sinners by nature and thus they are under God's wrath. And they are punished for any and all sins; secret and overt. However, how and when they are punished is the matter at hand:

1. True believers were punished for their sinfulness and actual sins at the cross since the Lord Christ was their substitute AND they are clothed in Christ's imputed righteousness at the moment they believe in Christ.

2. Unbelievers will be punished at the final Judgment according to their sinful nature and for every transgression of God's holy law.

Thus, if Christ died as a perfect substitute for ALL men without exception, then de facto, ALL men must and will be saved. For in Christ the full wrath of God was poured out upon Him in punishment thus satisfying the full demands of the law. Since Christ atoned for ALL sins for those whom He died for, there is nothing..... NOTHING to warrant further punishment; including unbelief, rejection of some pet doctrine, etc., etc. ad infinitum. The biblical teaching is that ALL those who are given faith and repentance WILL not only come to Christ for justification but they also are given the indwelling Spirit Who works sanctification in them unto final glorification. Christ's atonement made a FULL SATISFACTION, for salvation is by grace alone (Sola Gratia), in Christ alone (Solus Christus) through faith alone (Sola Fide)! <====== Note: theological terms. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

In His grace,