pilgrim says
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It is known as "secondary causes".
Secondary cause are created by God to serve His purpose <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/bash.gif" alt="" /> All things are created by God and for His Glory. The main purpose and goal for creation was inorder that God through Christ would be Glorified. Sin was and is Part of the outworking of that purpose. I have already stated that God's creation of evil did not emanate from within His Being of Essence , but From His Sovereign will and Good pleasue. That comprises everthing single thing. Molocues , atoms , insects , good , bad , pretty , ugly, deaf, dummb, beauty EVERYTHING !! To not grasp this simple Concept of God, is to suppose that something occured or happened outside the relm Of sovereign perogative ! Thats scarey, Thats blasphemous. To suppose that God merely permitted evil as it was contrary to His original purpose as constituting every thing Good, Makes God responding to the creature, when in fact all things in creation are responding to the perfect Sovereign predetmined Plan of God. Simply said God choose to reveal His Glory through the Redemptive Love of Christ for His elect, and Hence everthing proceeding from that purpose to that end, sin and mainly sin inclided!

R.C sproul says in a statement under foreordination to reprobation
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Theoretically He could know of a future act without ordaining it,
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That is a blasphemous statement right there. Dont appeal to me with all these guys, please use scripture. I have read these guys before some of you have. mostly all your reference material I see you recommending out to folks, I have already read , some even many years ago..

some thing elese to ponder upon. God creates every human being right ? Wether that person is elect or reprobated, God is the creator from the womb and in the womb ! Notice what paul says about those in an unregenerated state :

eph 5:8
8For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:

Notice that he said you were darkness , not in darkness ! God creates the reprobated.

notice what David says about Gods creation of natural child birth

ps 139
14I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.

15My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.

16Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.

Well I know some of you are going to piously say, he is speaking about David or even say Christ and The virgin birth, but it does not matter, God is Sovereign in all things and with everyone, and for this purpose we exist and was created for, His Sovereign pleasure...


Acts 20: 24 However, I consider my life worth nothing to me, if only I may finish the race and complete the task the Lord Jesus has given me—the task of testifying to the gospel of God's grace.