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J_Edwards said:
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Paul, unlike Calvinists, carefully distinguishes between the work of God, who alone prepares vessels of honor, and the work of devil and of man, who made himself a vessel of dishonor at the instigation of the devil. Thus, the devil and man are the cause of men being fitted for destruction not an unbiblical decree of reprobation.

Paul, unlike an Arminian, wrote the Scripture which empathically states, “hath not the potter a right over the clay, from the same lump to make one part a vessel unto honor, and another unto dishonor?” (Rom 9:21). Speratus says man is to be credited with reprobation (man is now making eternal decrees before he is born... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" />), however what sayeth the Scripture; "So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that hath mercy" (Rom 9:16). Does John agree? John says, "who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God" (John 1:13). Speratus, “who art thou that repliest against God?” (Rom 9:20). Speratus now attributes the work of God to Satan! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/drop.gif" alt="" />

Speratus do you know the difference between an eternal decree and works (of men, of angels)? Please show me some verses of angels making eternal decrees?


Again, you are going beyond the scriptures to construct a doctrine that does not exist. Romans 9:21 says God has the authority from one lump to make one vessel unto honor and another unto dishonor. Isolated from other verses, there is nothing here that says that God makes a vessel of honor or a vessel of dishonor. Romans 9:21 is not a proof text for predestination of election or reprobation. Your other reference texts are proof texts for election not reprobation.